Creation: ‘where’s the proof?’

answersingenesis ^ | Ken Ham

[srmorton]

I agree with you that the Bible's main purpose is not to serve as a scientific or historic document. Although much of its history has been authenticated, it is primarily a story of God's relationship with man and a guide to show us how to also have a personal relationship with Him.

I am a devout Christian who also has a Masters degree in Biology. I have been teaching General Biology for over 20 years and evolution is a required topic in that course. I also live in the "Bible Belt", so I always preface the discussion by reminding them that the scientific method discussed early in the course can not be applied to matters of faith and belief but only to things that can be directly observed or that can be discovered by experimentation. I emphasize that natural selection has been demonstrated to occur, but that the theory of evolution is just that - a theory - and need not threaten their belief in how it all began. It has never made me doubt that the hand of God set all of creation into being. In fact, the more I learn, the more I fail to see how chance and random mutation could have resulted in the treasures nature has on display for us each an every day.

[presently no screen name]

Exactly, evolution is a religion with it’s own beliefs based on theory.

[srmorton]

I agree with you that the Bible's main purpose is not to serve as a scientific or historic document. Although much of its history has been authenticated, it is primarily a story of God's relationship with man and a guide to show us how to also have a personal relationship with Him.

I am a devout Christian who also has a Masters degree in Biology. I have been teaching General Biology for over 20 years and evolution is a required topic in that course. I also live in the "Bible Belt", so I always preface the discussion by reminding them that the scientific method discussed early in the course can not be applied to matters of faith and belief but only to things that can be directly observed or that can be discovered by experimentation. I emphasize that natural selection has been demonstrated to occur, but that the theory of evolution is just that - a theory - and need not threaten their belief in how it all began. It has never made me doubt that the hand of God set all of creation into being. In fact, the more I learn, the more I fail to see how chance and random mutation could have resulted in the treasures nature has on display for us each and every day.

[MrPiper]

If you read/study/meditate on the Bible - you would never ask that.

I have been reading the bible and similar texts for twenty years and it still seems like fables.

[TheBattman]

Maybe not as clever, but is smarter that many on this board, apparently...

[Matchett-PI]

Here’s something else you might find interesting:

The Trouble With Fred and Wilma:
Why the Creation Museum is Bad for Christians
by Michael Patrick Leahy
http://www.christianfaithandreason.com/june_fredandwilma.html

[TheBattman]

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n2/key-age-of-earth

[MindBender26]

Nah, they think the world is 8637 years old, and it’s birthday is next Tuesday.

[Grizzled Bear]

Did creationists “make up” the piltdown man?

[Grizzled Bear]

who created him

That's a really good question. You should ask Him that when you are standing before His throne.

[TheBattman]

Why is it that when people cannot carry on an intelligent and well thought argument or debate, they have a tendency to resort to childish insults?

[xjcsa]

So they should not be competitors. You can’t scientifically prove that the Bible is wrong. You can’t prove Biblically that science is wrong.

And yet either the universe was created, or it wasn't. Either evolution is the mechanism by which life came into being, or it isn't. These are competing truth claims; only one set can be true for each question. There are ways to explore the questions through science, and there are ways to explore the questions through philosophy and reasoning. But there's only one reality and only one history.

[presently no screen name]

You think a crack addic's world in Detroit is Beauty? If not, than no "proof".

No. But the crack addict has no beauty because He hasn't gone to God. God gives beauty for one's ashes.

[shuckmaster]

Result? Threads like this where science is denigrated as a belief system, while belief in biblical literalism is claimed to be based on science and scientifically proved.

Then they're astonished to see their candidate can't get 10% of the vote in a primary.

[MrPiper]

God gives beauty for one's ashes.

I give up, I don't even know what that means.

[savedbygrace]

What does his cleverness have to do with the arguments he puts forward?

[BibChr]

Be honest.

You did not read the article before you made those “brilliant” remarks, did you?

Simple question.

[Matchett-PI]

Thank you for the link. Here’s one for you.

For those interested - you may watch this on C-Span-2 tonight in about an hour and 15 minutes from now. Use this link, or watch on your own TV if you have cable.

http://www.booktv.org/program.aspx?ProgramId=9096&SectionName=&PlayMedia=No

Chance or Purpose: Creation, Evolution, and a Rational Faith

Author: Christoph Cardinal Schönborn

Upcoming Schedule

Sunday, February 24, at 10:30 PM
Monday, February 25, at 4:00 AM

About the Program

Cardinal Schönborn argues that science and religion are not incompatible and that dogmatism on either side is unsupportable. He spoke at an event hosted by the Dominican School of Philosophy and Theology in Berkeley, California.

About the Author
Cardinal Schönborn, Archbishop of Vienna and advisor to Pope Benedict XVI, is the primary editor of the “Catechism of the Catholic Church.” He is also the author of “Behold God’s Son” and “Loving the Church.”

[metmom]

Do you suppose the day will ever come where you might actually post something on a crevo that contains some intellectual content, which drive by insults don’t contain?

[presently no screen name]

I have been reading the bible and similar texts

I'll assuming it's the true Bible.

If you are trying to understand some of the it, i.e., like God spoke the Creation into existence, you cannot use your own natural mind to understand the supernatural. God is Supernatural. Also, The Holy Spirit is the Teacher. Ask Him for understanding.