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Europa Here We Come: NASA Tests Under-Ice Sub with Eye Toward Jupiter
Scientific American ^ | 14 Feb 2008 | Larry Greenemeier

Posted on 02/16/2008 1:34:43 PM PST by BGHater

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1 posted on 02/16/2008 1:34:48 PM PST by BGHater
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ET is going to be plenty upset when attempting to eat that probe. Of course, if ET is successful in eating the probe, ET may seek revenge on the probe, once ET is finally able to expel the probe. Could be a probing problem. Otherwise, this sounds like a plan.
2 posted on 02/16/2008 1:41:23 PM PST by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes. TLWNWNTTRS)
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To: BGHater

All these worlds are yours, except Europa. Attempt no landing there.


3 posted on 02/16/2008 1:41:38 PM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: BGHater

ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS

EXCEPT EUROPA

ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE


4 posted on 02/16/2008 1:45:26 PM PST by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: John Jorsett

Yeah, but Roy Scheider died last week so it’s ok.


5 posted on 02/16/2008 1:45:33 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: BGHater

Very cool


6 posted on 02/16/2008 1:52:00 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Old Sarge

Great minds think alike :-)


7 posted on 02/16/2008 1:52:41 PM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: BGHater
DIVING IN: Prior to ENDURANCE's descent, a triangular hole was cut so a diver could check to see there were no ice formations

Great. He'll be going to Europa too, I'm guessing.

8 posted on 02/16/2008 1:57:44 PM PST by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: BGHater

I guess we’ll find out if the crust on Europa is “thick” or “thin” and answer that debate, but I didn’t see any notation as to the method for breaking through the granite-like icy crust. Endurance has to reach the liquid below the surface before it will be of use. Has anyone kept up with NASA’s design for the equipment to accompany Endurance?


9 posted on 02/16/2008 2:08:35 PM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: callisto

I would think the equipment to melt through Europa’s ice would be more complex, heavier and consume far more power than the probe itself.

Making a probe/submarine is child’s play compared to the rest.


10 posted on 02/16/2008 2:12:02 PM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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After a little research, I see that JPL has the contract for the lander but that Endurance is too massive to send on interplanetary travel. Between it's size and weight, and your assessment on any potential drilling equipment, we still have a long way to go before seeing fruition from Endurance's latest testing.
11 posted on 02/16/2008 2:22:15 PM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: BGHater

Testing this in Wisconsin, they just HAD to make it look like it’s covered in cheese.
I see how it is....


12 posted on 02/16/2008 2:27:42 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Satisfaction was my sin)
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To: BGHater

Requiring an ice hole is a mistake. The probe should be equipped with a shell that will change the ionic structure of the ice to melt it.

Much like how salt melts ice, a coating of some material that melts the *type* of ice, not necessarily water ice, that the probe will land on.

For example, if it was ordinary water ice on Earth, and you had a shell around a ball which contained a half foot thick crust of crystallized hard salt, with gaps in the shell so that the ice would touch the salt. That much salt could melt through a LOT of ice, by changing its ionic structure, *not* by warming it.


13 posted on 02/16/2008 2:42:49 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Can’t imagine them pulling this off. The pressure’s got to be horrendous, even though gravity’s only one seventh or one eighth that of earth. I mean, the pressure under 12 miles of ice would be like being under 1.6 miles of ice on earth. Then the idea that you could go very deep into this 60 mile deep ocean on top of that... It just ain’t gonna happen; i.e., we definitely won’t be looking at any hydrothermal vents, imo.

But I’m rooting for them though! It’s absolute genius. Best case: It survives and roams the upper layers of Europa’s ocean(s) for years, suffering no breakdowns, reporting back periodically to earth, sending pics of it frolicking with mile-long ice whales, etc.


14 posted on 02/16/2008 2:44:42 PM PST by LibWhacker ("I don't like prison. They have the wrong types of bars in there." Charles Bukowski)
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To: callisto

It’s going to have a hot nuclear mass of fuel ... (plutonium?) that allows it to melt through the ice and at the same time provide the sub with power.


15 posted on 02/16/2008 2:51:02 PM PST by LibWhacker ("I don't like prison. They have the wrong types of bars in there." Charles Bukowski)
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</sarc> or link please? It runs on lithium batteries, I didn’t see any mention of your suggestion.


16 posted on 02/16/2008 2:58:20 PM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: callisto

The model runs on lithium batteries. They are not going to put plutonium in a pristine Arctic or Antarctic lake. I’ll try to find a link but no guarantees; I saw it on the Science Channel.


17 posted on 02/16/2008 3:04:55 PM PST by LibWhacker ("I don't like prison. They have the wrong types of bars in there." Charles Bukowski)
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To: LibWhacker
Never mind the link...I just needed to know if you were series or not. I can dig around NASA and the net to see what I can find.
18 posted on 02/16/2008 3:09:58 PM PST by callisto (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington DC (Y/N)?)
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To: callisto
Still looking, but check this link out: http://astrobiology.arc.nasa.gov/news/expandnews.cfm?id=1199

Haven't seen this particular cryobot mentioned before and think it's probably just one of many designs they're looking at. Gonna keep looking...

19 posted on 02/16/2008 3:10:56 PM PST by LibWhacker ("I don't like prison. They have the wrong types of bars in there." Charles Bukowski)
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To: callisto

LOL, absolutely series! It’s fascinating stuff, huh? I’m very excited about it.


20 posted on 02/16/2008 3:12:14 PM PST by LibWhacker ("I don't like prison. They have the wrong types of bars in there." Charles Bukowski)
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