Posted on 02/14/2008 4:34:07 AM PST by Kaslin
>>In a time of warfare against Muslim extremists? No.<<
Actually, for me the answer would be no at ANY time.
I was really only trying to point out, with a strong example, that it is prudent to judge a man running for political office by his religious beliefs (or lack thereof). Heck, it is foundation from which all his opinions about the world and how he should interface with it come. It is very important
That's the first I heard that claim.
When that story broke, it just made me see Huckabee as a total smarmy politician, whereas prior to that I kinda liked him.
Why? Because every ordained preacher in the world KNOWS the main tenants of every denomination in America and around the world.
He wasn't asking that question of the NYTimes reporter because he wanted an answer.
Huckabee's question, "Don't Mormon's believe ..... Jesus is the Devil's brother?" was just an underhanded and slimeball way to push HIS (Huckabee's) bias and rejection of Mormons into the mind of that New York Times reporter and by proxy, the voters of America.
Listen, I am a full time newspaper reporter ... having worked for several mid-sized newspapers here on the East Coast, and if Huckabee said that to me, I would know EXACTLY what he was trying to imply.
I would know EXACTLY what Huckabee wanted me to print in my story.
Which is his insistence that Mormon's are "untrustable" anti-Christian cultists .... and that they should be rejected out of hand.
At that moment, I realized Huckabee was not the person who should be president of this vast, multi-denominational country America which was founded in freedom of worship.
Like I said, Huckabee is a one-dimensional politician.
If you don't believe in HIS version of truth, he thinks you inferior.
Never Huckabee.
I can find it in my heart so support McCain, eventually perhaps.
Never Huckabee. Wrong preacher man for the job.
The distortion against Romney continues.
You say "all social conservatives" ... but ignore the fact that Dobson, Weyrich, Limbaugh, Ingraham, DeMint, Jones III ...... and hundreds and millions of other social conservatives gladly supported Romney.
You obviously think that you are the only social conservative in America, and that anyone who disagrees, aint worth spit.
It just aint that way....
THAT is disinformation. I know from personal experience. My pastor in TX asked me to give a lesson on the LDS in a study of various religions, and HE was NOT informed of the tenets of mormonism.
Listen, I am a full time newspaper reporter ... having worked for several mid-sized newspapers here on the East Coast, and if Huckabee said that to me, I would know EXACTLY what he was trying to imply.
I would know EXACTLY what Huckabee wanted me to print in my story.
WOW, what a confession! And what a recommendation for journalism.
If the mormon church leadership were open and honest about the beliefs, there would be NO opportunity to "imply" or "infer" anything....by anyone. Romney added to the curiosity in making his "Faith" speech which did nothing more than to add to the speculation and skepticism.
I am not a Huckabee supporter, but I find it laughable that you Mitt supporters are working so fervently to blame someone, ANYONE, but Mitt for being an unelectable candidate.
At least three of these you mention never endorsed Romney and weren't making any statements that could be taken as supportive only for Romney--at least not until Rudy & Fred dropped out. Whatever favorable remarks that were made seemed to be more anti-McCain than pro-Romney.
(He said with the most superiority he could muster in looking down upon Huckabee)
And you've now turned into an icon also OPPOSED to what America was founded on -- Freedom of religion. (You're opposed to people not keeping their faith hermetically sealed...you think their "religious freedom" is a bit too leaky, eh?).
Polls done in 2006 as well as Feb 2007 (Gallup for 2007) show that between 53-60% of Americans said they would not vote for either an atheist or a Muslim candidate. Obviously I would assume this notion was confirmed by these pollsters because of their own religious beliefs, and is based upon in part exercising that freedom of religion.
But then we have folks who come along, almost in a jackbooted way, and say to the majority of Americans (53-60%): "No, you CAN'T allow a Muslim's religion to influence your vote in a presidential election. And I'm here to make sure I impose my religious viewpoint upon your religious viewpoint. Your so-called 'freedom of religion' stops at your vote."
R&R, we just don't see any consistency out of the pro-Romney haters of the anti-Romney folks, do we? In late November, Romney says not enough of Muslim population to justify him putting a Muslim in the Cabinet. Were there dozens of outbursts from you on this issue like the whip you have for others? (Can you say two-faced?)
Or how about after Super Tuesday when it came out that 94% or so of non-Catholic weekly church attenders in Utah voted for Romney? Here, these voters exercised their "freedom of religion" and according to the Salt Lake Trib voted primarily based upon the "personal qualities" of the candidate (read: The Mormon connection). So bias based upon a pre-judged position about the religion of the candidate is OK for Utah voters, or LDS voters in other states, but not for non-Mormon voters. (Can you say two-faced?)
The fact is, according to a late 2006 Rasmussen Reports poll, just 'cause even the majority of Democrats and Republicans consider the faith & beliefs of a candidate in voting...somehow those folks who can't keep "religion" contained to a mass-only mentality has got you riled up.
You need to come out of the dark ages and read some polls. Try that 2006 Rasmussen Reports poll for starters. 55% of Democrats; 78% of Republicans; 62% of Americans; and 92% of Evangelicals ALL say they take the "faith & beliefs" of candidates into consideration when they vote.
(Yeah, yeah, we know...how dare these folks exercise such "freedom of religion" in your presence!)
BS. Dream on if you think Romney is liberal. Was just a convenient excuse for bigots.
It is possible to watch Romney’s statements on video.
Ya just can’t trust your eyes and ears.
You didn’t see and hear what you just saw and heard.
Sure I saw. He was the freakin' governer of Mass for cryin' out loud. He's wholesome. Look at his family. I heard him state he's pro-life, pro-iraq war, anti gay marriage, anti illegal immigrant. Just because you're not predisposed to believing him isn't my problem. But search your heart, you may find out why.
My main point all along has been that Mormon is part of the Judeo-Christian brotherhood, and should be accorded respect and acceptance - not derision and hate like many on FR throw around.
Muslim is not a Christ centered religion.
You seemingly brag that Catholics "adapt" to just about any system that allows them to exist.
Have not Mormons adapted to the American system quite well?
Well, Mormons themselves are as eligible as any group to be treated with respect (I say that knowing that while all men deserve dignity & are of tremendous worth, not every Christian, not every Jew, not every Mormon, etc. acts in a respectable manner).
But that doesn't equate to Mormonism itself as deserving respect any more than the original god-wannabe was respected by God. [If you'll notice what happened to him, he was "cast to the ground" (Ezekiel 28:17); he was "fallen from heaven" and "cut down to the ground" (Isaiah 14:12) upon wanting to "be like the Most High" (Is. 14:14) with his ascended throne (Is. 14:13). Jesus said He saw him "fall like lightning."]
My main point all along has been that Mormon is part of the Judeo-Christian brotherhood...
Well, good luck with that. I suggest you work on the "Judeo" part first. (Too many just skip right over that to the "Christian" part). You know, with your writing experience, draw up a press release for a new Mormon front group, Mormon Jews for Jesus. (Here, I'll give you the ingredients):
SALT LAKE CITY ANNOUNCES NEW MORMON JEWS FOR JESUS GROUP--"The Mormon Jesus was Jewish. The key characters in the Book of Mormon were Jewish. We call all Non-Mormons 'Gentiles.' We call ourselves 'Zion.' We're Jews, too...So we are Mormon-Christian Jews." (Signed someday-to-be-formulated new group, Mormon Jews for Jesus)
Step Two: Be sure you alert every single major Jewish faith-based group...tell them that this group will make a special point of accelerating the baptisms of dead Jews...and inform the various Jews for Jesus types of groups as well. Be sure to emphasize that because of the German tendency to record every detail, and the vast number of Holocaust victims' names, that baptisms for the Jewish dead will be carried on 24/7 in Mormon temples everywhere. (This way, we can be rest assured that the ranks of the "Mormon Jews for Jesus" is growing on the other side of the veil as well).
STEP THREE: Now imagine handing such a press release, with full mention of accelerated baptisms of Jewish dead folks, to a leader of Jewish faith-based organizations. Why, go ahead. You can offer them your accompanying sermon, "How all Jewish Faith-Based Groups Need to Accept and Respect the New Mormon Jews for Jesus Group"). Wow! I'm sure you'll be unanimously welcomed with open arms!
Well, I know you are wrong about Dobson.
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