Posted on 02/08/2008 11:15:39 AM PST by 84rules
Nice!
Obviously, that doesn’t matter to you.
You'll win even fewer by shilling for the man so slaveringly desperate to peddle the sanctity of their own homeland's borders to Mexico for a wadded handful of soiled pesos, he openly and unapolgetically derided every last principled conservative opposed to his doing so as being "nativists and bigots."
Obviously, the crazed ramming of 20,000,000+ illegal aliens down our collective gullet -- and (more importantly) what that would do to the welfare and safety of this nation -- doesn't matter to you.
The active duty military officers in MY family, at least, quite recognize that particular nightmare scenario as being every last bit as irrevocably destructive to the safety and welfare of this great nation as anything some turbaned-and0-sandaled desert yip-yop might conceivably dream up.
Catch up.
Well you go ahead. You suck...on those lemons, Yoda.
Bitter taste, huh?
What about the principle that a refusal to vote for McCain means you are supporting the election of Hillary or Obama, and surrendering to Al Qaeda in the war on terror?
Is your pride more important to you than your country?
I can’t stand McCain, but I will hold my nose and vote for him.
So your alternative is to give him Hillary? That’s what you’re doing by staying home.
We would have a better chance defeating any act liberal agenda McCain tries to ram down our throats than one Hillary or Obama will implement. McCain needs conservatives. Hillary and Obama do not. They will continue on their merry way, leaving a wake of liberal and socialist destruction in their path. At least if conservatives stop bickering and start organizing, we can prevent McCain from doing much harm. As for him preening before the Old Gray Lady, as soon as the nominating process is over, they will turn on him like a junk yard dog. So will the rest of the MSM.
I am getting tired of being called a shill for McCain. I don’t like the man, but I despise Hillary and Obama is downright dangerous. My country will come before my own personal feelings. McCain can be monitored by organized conservatives. Hillary or Obama will be turned loose to wreak whatever havoc they and their leftwing radicals can.
1) No conservative President until 2017.
2) That Republicans will be shrinking minority in Congress (the party in the White House almost always loses seats in Congress).
3) That liberal legislation that would have been filibustered by Republican in the Senate will succeed if McCain decides to advance it.
So, unless there is some reason to believe McCain can be trusted, all that is far worse than having a Democrat in the White House.
[Oh, and by the way, quit using the tactics of the Left to describe disagreement on principles as Hate.]
Have you read the invective on this thread? I would like for someone here to tell me if the official position of FR is “no McCain, EVER” or what.
If they do not vote or worse yet, vote for a dem, they are guilty of the worst kind of backstabbing of their own friends. I don’t think even a dem would stoop to such a low level.
Look at it. If the dems get in, we are guaranteed a socialist/communist Supreme Court for at least the next 30 years. The damage heaped upon our Constitution in that time will totally destroy the country.
To even consider theat possibility tells me that those suggesting such are either trolls or dem plants.
If this no vote or dem vote position represents the FR line, well count me out. I cannot abide backstabbers. I will galdly find another source of information.
Then stop shilling for him. You can't make chicken soup from chicken shit.
How do we even know that? If things start going badly can McCain really be trusted not to cave to pressure and polls and agree to a withdrawal date?
I partially agree. I will not vote for a democrat. But I might vote for the nominee for the American Constitution Party. I haven’t decided yet.
McCain is a guaranteed loser. if you want to vote for him, you are waging a hopeless quixotic quest. There is no way that grump, crazy, unstable old man is going to win.
Sounds good to me.
LOL! The author supposes his opinion has a chance of changing what is a forgone conclusion. There will be no win, the base will stay home, and the Republicans will lose seats in both houses on the way to the biggest defeat in history.
He may kick and scream, and shake his fists, but the die is already cast.
I keep hearing conservatives say that if John McCain is the nominee -- and barring a miracle, he will be at this point -- that they're going to sit out the election or even vote for the Democratic nominee because of "conservative principles."
As one conservative -- and not as a "John McCain conservative," but as a "I supported Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson, oppose amnesty and abortion, fought to get Samuel Alito instead of Harriet Miers, believe in small government, term limits, tax cuts, and balancing the budget" conservative -- to another, let me tell you that I very respectfully, but also very strongly disagree with that definition of "conservative principles."
There is NOTHING conservative about working with the Democratic nominee against most of your fellow conservatives in order to grow government, socialize medicine, lose the war in Iraq, tilt the Supreme Court to the Left, and make Roe v. Wade the permanent law of the land. If you are conservative and vote for the Democratic nominee or even just refuse to vote for McCain, who is by any and every objective standard, considerably more conservative than either of them, let me tell you what you are NOT doing,
* You are NOT doing the logical thing. When faced with a choice between a moderate who holds some conservative positions and some non-conservative positions and a liberal who holds no conservative positions, the logical decision is to take the moderate. After all, half a loaf is better than none.
* You are NOT helping conservatism or your fellow conservatives. To the contrary, you are helping liberals defeat conservative ideas. Isn't that what conservatives are saying that they're furious at McCain over? Well, who's less of a conservative: John McCain, who, if he were in the White House, would help conservatives win some battles and would help liberals win others or the conservatives who want to help a Democrat get into the office who will go against conservative ideas every time?
* You are NOT looking out for the best interests of the country. If you believe winning in Iraq is better than losing, if you believe balancing the budget is better than higher deficit spending, if you believe that having a Supreme Court that is tilted to the right is better than having a Supreme Court tilted to the left, and if you believe that Roe v. Wade is leading to the immoral murder of millions of children -- and the overwhelming majority of people reading this column certainly believe all those things -- then you are certainly not putting the good of the country first if you oppose John McCain in November.
Some might argue that having Hillary Clinton in office would be better for the country and conservatism because she would screw things up so badly that it would actually help conservatives in the long run. But, if people haven't seen through Hillary Clinton after 16 years in the public eye, what makes you think another 4-8 years in the White House would do it? How many Americans saw through FDR? Even as his government policies extended the depression for years after it should have ended, he was voted back into office. Yes, he was a capable war President, but he also did more damage to this country domestically than any other President in history, short-term and long-term, and he's still considered by many people to be one of our greatest Presidents.
But, we don't have to go all the way back to Roosevelt: just think back to 2006. What did we hear then? "We should stay home and teach the Republicans a lesson. They'll take a big beating and it'll be great for conservatism." How did that turn out? From where I am sitting, we have a lot less Republicans in Congress, more squabbling than ever, and we're going to have Republican nominee John McCain. Why? Because sometimes a loss leads to better things, but in politics, as often as not, losing just begets more losing and it can sometimes take a very, very long time for movements to learn from its mistakes. Think back to Roosevelt, whose victories started a 40 year-long dominant cycle for the Democrats and that party's shift to the left in 1972 that started a long slow slide for them that may have finally ended in 2006.
Along those same lines, it's also worth noting that after Barry Goldwater was destroyed in 1964, Richard Nixon, who was even less conservative than McCain, was elected to two terms in the White House. Then, in 1980, Reagan became President. So, there is absolutely no reason to think that if a moderate Republican gets into the White House that it will prevent a conservative Republican from getting in later -- and since I mentioned Reagan, I have heard his name invoked many times in the past few weeks to justify not supporting McCain in the general election.
If Ronald Reagan had been alive and had chosen to endorse a candidate in the primaries, even McCain fans should be honest enough to admit that candidate probably wouldn't have been John McCain. But, McCain's most ardent opponents should also be honest enough to note that Ronald Reagan campaigned for Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford, both of whom were to the left of John McCain. So, were he still alive, Ronald Reagan would almost certainly campaign for McCain against Hillary or Barack and you can be sure that he would not approve of conservatives who say that they'd rather have a liberal Democrat in the White House than a far-from-perfect Republican. So, whether the question is "What would Reagan do" or "what would a principled conservative do" in November, the answer would be the same: vote for John McCain.
Now THAT's funny.
A good conservative (note: I'm avoiding the use of 'Republican' because it doesn't mean much anymore) congress could hamstring a bad president, be it McCain, Obama, or Clinton. The 'Contract with America' congress for example.
Your right. He will never win as long as “conservatives” like yourself are willing to vote for Hillary Clinton to soothe your fragile egos.
You’re right. He will never win as long as “conservatives” like yourself are willing to vote for Hillary Clinton in order to soothe your fragile egos.
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