[Christopher Lincoln]

Ben Stein has got it exactly the wrong way around. It is the advocates of creationism and ID who are constantly, and sometimes successfully, calling on the government to declare their position to be right, or failing that to declare that evolution and natural selection are 'flawed'.

The claim that ID research can produce breakthroughs in medicine is a fantasy. The only discovery that will come out of such research is the one we already know, namely that ID doesn't work.

Stein's argument is breathtaking in its audacity. He says that the only intelligence about which we know anything - our own - has failed to explain the origin and development of life; therefore, life must be the creation of intelligence.

[InterceptPoint]

I’m kind of new to this but skeptical. Could someone give me an idea of just what “Intelligent Design Research” might be. It is not obvious.

[Cruising Speed]

Poor Ben, the opposite is fast becoming true. At least here on FR, any cogent discussion of evolution is lost under a pile of mindless ranting.