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Romney's hold on Macomb puzzling
Macomb Daily ^ | January 17, 2008 | Chad Selweski

Posted on 01/16/2008 11:14:04 PM PST by Plutarch

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To: Rock&RollRepublican
“Please name me the specific laws or legislation he passed that would categorize him even remotely close to being a liberal.

What happens if I do not meet the mandate?

If you don’t have health insurance by Dec. 31, 2007, you will lose your personal income tax exemption for 2007. That exemption gives you a Massachusetts tax savings of approximately $219.

In 2008, the cost of the penalty goes up. The fine will equal half of the cost of the lowest-priced Health Connector-certified plan for each month that you don’t have coverage

Waivers will be available for those who cannot afford a plan that meets the rules. Check back for updates.

How is the mandate enforced? The Massachusetts Department of Revenue will enforce the individual mandate through the tax process.

There, does that do it for you genius?

41 posted on 01/17/2008 6:07:43 AM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: NYC Republican; tortdog
ROMNEY IS A BABY KILLING LIBERAL

Pass it on.


42 posted on 01/17/2008 6:11:36 AM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Rome2000

That’s libel. Why don’t you go back to bed.


43 posted on 01/17/2008 6:18:48 AM PST by ILS21R
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To: Plutarch
We are seeing a repetition of the pattern that occurred in Iowa. Romney won eastern Iowa, which is heavily Catholic, with many of German or Irish descent, while Huckabee did the best in the counties with higher numbers of evangelical Protestants. Huckabee did well in counties with large numbers of Reformed voters, such as Jasper County, where there are more surnames beginning with Van or Vander than with Mc or Mac. Huckabee polled around 20% in the southwestern counties of Michigan, a stronghold of Dutch Americans, as well as the Upper Peninsula, with its large number of Finnish and Swedish Americans, most of whom are Lutherans. Generally speaking, McCain won the western counties of Michigan, which are more white and Protestant than the eastern urban centers.

It stands to reason that Romney, who was governor of Massachusetts, one of the most Catholic states in the Union, would do well among Catholic voters elsewhere. While Catholicism and Mormonism are quite different theologically, both religions are in minority positions in the nation overall, as are the Eastern Orthodox and the Jews. Heavily Catholic states like Massachusetts and Connecticut have elected men like Michael Dukakis (Greek Orthodox) and Joe Lieberman (Jewish) to high statewide office. OTOH, Huckabee appears to be successful in conservative Protestant areas of the country that are culturally different from his own Anglo-Southern evangelical heritage.

On a side note, Ron Paul did carry one Iowa county, Jefferson, noted for a large number of Transcendental Meditation practitioners living in Fairfield and Vedic City, and the presence of Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield.

44 posted on 01/17/2008 6:21:58 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: ILS21R
Shaking Ted Kennedys hand is at least libel.

WOULD YOU SHAKE TED KENNEDYS HAND?

I sure wouldn't.

Guy and has family have killed more women than OJ.

45 posted on 01/17/2008 6:23:06 AM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Plutarch

I think the voters just were trying to find a candidate they thought they could get behind and win. Granted, the slate of candidates for both Democrats and Republicans are not spectacular.

A lot of people in Michigan have a great deal of respect for Ronna Romney, Mitt’s ex sister in law, who had a radio show until a few years ago. That may add to the name recognition factor.


46 posted on 01/17/2008 6:31:09 AM PST by LongTimeMILurker
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To: Romneyfor President2008
I live in Macomb county and it is very Republican considering years ago it was a strong Democrat county.

I think what drew the voters to Romney is because most of us (I voted for Fred) are directly tied to the auto industry either directly employed by the Big 3 or their suppliers. I used to work for a Tier 1 supplier.

They know their employment careers are on thin ice right now and they don't want a half time coach telling the team we lost which is basically what McLame said. They want a coach that knows the game is not over.

McLame's message was don't worry, we'll retrain you. I know electricians, pipefitter, millwrights, tool and die makers who have lost their jobs. If manufacturing is the lifeblood of us Michiganders and McLame has taken the loser's attitude that jobs won't come back here then what the hell are you going to retrain these people to do? Cook?

Romney's message is clearly optimistic which is exactly the attitude a successful person or businessman must have. That being said, he won't be able to pull it off unless Granholm is kicked out of office.

What the paper fails to also mention is that there is a very high population of UAW employees here too. Because they're union at the work place doesn't mean they are union in the voting booth.......

47 posted on 01/17/2008 6:44:20 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: Plutarch
MSM is distressed that Romney got the conservative salt-of-the-earth voters that (gasp) Reagan got. Prolife catholics, middle class folks who want the economy to work better, conservatives sick of McCain's patronizing RINOism:

The EPIC-MRA pollster said that Romney benefited in Macomb County from seniors who see him as the next-generation Romney, Catholics who were turned off by Huckabee's Southern Baptist sentimentalities, and conservative male voters who turned out in large numbers. "Romney had it going all the way around," he said. "He got the seniors because of his dad. He got the angry white males who are pro-Bush. And he got those voters who are anti-immigration, anti-tax, anti-everything." In a county that made its mark two decades ago as the home of the Reagan Democrats, some Republicans are quick to note that Reagan put us on the map, but he wasn't a guy from the neighborhood.

48 posted on 01/17/2008 10:34:47 AM PST by WOSG (Proamnesty-antiBushtaxcuts-proCO2caps-CFR-RINO John McCain delenda est!)
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To: David In Staten Island

“I think Mitt is a hardcore pacifist” you think wrong.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/04/mitt_romneys_remarks_at_yeshiv.html


49 posted on 01/17/2008 10:36:36 AM PST by WOSG (Proamnesty-antiBushtaxcuts-proCO2caps-CFR-RINO John McCain delenda est!)
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To: Rome2000

You are disgusting. Stuff like that turns people TO Mitt. You have no shame


50 posted on 01/17/2008 10:46:01 AM PST by NYC Republican (The More People See and Hear Romney, without the Media Filter, the More They Like Him)
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To: Wallace T.

“While Catholicism and Mormonism are quite different theologically, both religions are in minority positions in the nation overall, as are the Eastern Orthodox and the Jews”

Er, Catholicism is the largest denomination in the nation.
Otherwise, your analysis is spot-on. Many of us Catholic here on FR are simply horrified at the view of some anti-Mormons who think that bars a man from the Presidency. There is a prejudice antenna that goes up and recognizes that this particular bit of prejudice is just a few steps removed from the prejudice of those who opposed a Catholic in the Oval office. we dont agree with that thinking, and do want to focus on the individual and his values and positions. I think that is a factor, and ever since I found out that a Huckabee supporter in Iowa was trashing Brownback’s catholicism to get protestant votes for Huck, my radar has been very sensitive to Huck’s appeals based on evangelical identity politics. Well, live by identity politics, die by identity politics. Huck would lose the catholic vote big-time in a general election when his connections get exposed. heavily catholic Nevada has him in single digits in latest poll.

Looking at county results, it was curious that McCain was picking up some rural counties. It could be that Mitt ran a campaign that focussed on where most of the votes were, and simply won by winning big where he focussed.

“It stands to reason that Romney, who was governor of Massachusetts, one of the most Catholic states in the Union, would do well among Catholic voters elsewhere. “

Yes, but you should add one other point though. Romney WON the evangelical vote. Self described evangelicals went more for Romney than any other candidate. Romney also won church-goers. CNN exit polls showed that.

Romney’s success among Catholic voters will help in the general election.


51 posted on 01/17/2008 10:48:21 AM PST by WOSG (Proamnesty-antiBushtaxcuts-proCO2caps-CFR-RINO John McCain delenda est!)
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To: Rome2000
There, does that do it for you genius?

Do you likewise think mandatory auto insurance is "liberal" --- and rail against the Governor of any state with such a mandate.

(which by the way costs up to $2,000 a year for car insurance as opposed to the minimum $150 for catastrophic health coverage)

And if you DO accept mandated auto insurance, what does that say about your logic?

52 posted on 01/17/2008 10:54:30 AM PST by Edit35
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To: Rome2000

Yes, I would shake Ted Kennedy’s hand and be genial with him. I am sure President Bush has done so. Reagan did. Any gracious conservative would do that.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1955127/posts?page=70#70

BUT I WOULDNT WRITE AN AMNESTY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS BILL WITH HIM!!!

Proamnesty-antiBushtaxcuts-proCO2caps-CFR-RINO John McCain delenda est!


53 posted on 01/17/2008 10:58:57 AM PST by WOSG (Proamnesty-antiBushtaxcuts-proCO2caps-CFR-RINO John McCain delenda est!)
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To: Rome2000

How’s this for a retort, even though it is not directly related?

49 of the 50 states in America use tax dollars to pay for abortions, according to the ACLU, most of them governed by conservative Republican Governors.

If Romney bashers want to paint Romney as an uber liberal for his $50 co pay, or whatever it was that the courts ordered put in Mass health coverage, then are all these REPUBLICAN Governors also uber liberals.

http://www.aclu.org/reproductiverights/lowincome/16393res20040721.html


From the ACLU website....

“Currently ... seventeen states fund abortions for low-income women on the same or similar terms as other pregnancy-related and general health services.

(See map.) Four of these states provide funding voluntarily (HI, MD, NY,1 and WA); in thirteen, courts interpreting their state constitutions have declared broad and independent protection for reproductive choice and have ordered nondiscriminatory public funding of abortion (AK, AZ, CA, CT, IL, MA, MN, MT, NJ, NM, OR, VT, and WV).2

“Thirty-two of the remaining states pay for abortions for low-income women in cases of life-endangering circumstances, rape, or incest, as mandated by federal Medicaid law.3

(A handful of these states pay as well in cases of fetal impairment or when the pregnancy threatens “severe” health problems, but none provides reimbursement for all medically necessary abortions for low-income women.)

Finally, one state (SD) fails even to comply with the Hyde Amendment, instead providing coverage only for lifesaving abortions.



54 posted on 01/17/2008 11:09:45 AM PST by Edit35
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To: grellis

ping


55 posted on 01/17/2008 11:24:50 AM PST by raygun (If you're going to curse, do it in YOUR name, o.k.? - God)
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To: Rock&RollRepublican
Voters in Michigan wouldn't know a real conservative if one bit them on their asses.

Duncan Hunter on VoteMatch

Fred Thompson on VoteMatch

Rudy Giuliani on VoteMatch

Romney is about as liberal as Giuliani, just not as Libertarian (Populist leaning). Frankly, there's not much political difference between McPain's and McRomney's political ideology (both are 'bout as conservative as Giuliani - differing from him by their Populist leaning ideologies - he being more socially liberal, i.e., Libertarian). Thompson is more economically conservative, than McPain/McRomney, but share both their degree of social liberalism (or lack thereof). While Giuliani is as economically conservative as Thompson, he's more socially liberal than all three of them.

Hunter is as conservative as Kucinich is rabid frothing moonbat.

Frankly, I believe The RNC needs to be crystal clear that there may indeed be a very large silent majority come November. If the country elects Hillary, Obama or Edwards, then so be it (and the odius credit falls squarely upon the RNC's collective head).

For me I have to evaluate whether casting a vote for Giuliani's 50%, Romney's 48%, McPain's 45%, Huckaphoney's 40% or Paul's 28% agreement with my ideologies outweighs my detesting the 92% that Shrillery doesn't agree with me (and the Witch is at the top of the list with respect to the opposition).

56 posted on 01/17/2008 12:01:59 PM PST by raygun (If you're going to curse, do it in YOUR name, o.k.? - God)
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To: raygun
Romney is about as liberal as Giuliani..

Can you please provide me with the specific "liberal" laws or legislation Romney passed in Massachusetts, or anywhere for that matter.

57 posted on 01/17/2008 1:00:06 PM PST by Edit35
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To: Rock&RollRepublican
Actually I mispoke: he's as conservative economically as Giuliani but not as socially liberal as he. And the same mispeak goes for the comparison made to McPain. McPain & McRomney are peas in the same pod.

Mitt Romney on VoteMatch

All the information is there for evaluation/assessment (you just have to plow through it).

58 posted on 01/17/2008 2:36:52 PM PST by raygun (If you're going to curse, do it in YOUR name, o.k.? - God)
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To: ILS21R; John Valentine
It's quite simple actually.

McCain is too liberal and too old. Senator, thank you for your service. Now go play golf somewhere.

Rudy...Well, Rudy is from New York. The same state that made a carpetbagger a US senator. Bye Rudy.

Despite his conservative values, Thompson looks like a pervert standing next to his daughter wife. Senator, you want to live the Hollywood lifestyle, more power to you. Just keep it out of the White House.

Huckabee...He should have done better. Shame on his staff.

Ron Paul...Oh I don't know..is it because he's CRAZY.

Mitt isn't perfect but he's the best we've got. That's how he score so much success

YOU are the pervert on display here, sir. Anyone capable of writing this swill has his head well and truly submerged in the septic tank.

I will be calling this to the attention of the moderator. I am sure that Jim Robinson does not want YOUR kind in HIS house.

Besides Huckabee, I tend to agree with you 100% as image is very important in American society.

More importantly, I've been a lifelong Democrat and Democrats and black America have done everything to keep me in a cage (and maybe I belong there but that's besides the point) and with being frustrated and moving to a different country, I still didn't trust Republicans. While abroad, I blogged on Daily Kos and was banned 3 times. I started on FR knowing I would be banned but at least I'd try to understand American society. My point is, I'm the average black American male and in retrospect the only way I was able to turn my life around was via conservatives over a very long period of time but despite their best efforts, I still viewed them as racists. The same can be said of the vast majority of my friends who still view Republicans as racists (so I'm glad my kids will not suffer the same life). And if conservatives simply write-off black America, the problems will only get worse under the Democrats so there's a lot of work to do.

In short, IMHO, the truth is very, very ugly and everyone's opinion should be respected.

59 posted on 01/18/2008 1:28:35 AM PST by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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To: kipita

Bigoted, insulting and disrespectful opinion does NOT deserve respect, and in MY house, it’s not afforded any.


60 posted on 01/18/2008 3:46:15 AM PST by John Valentine
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