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Ron Paul, get out of the Republican Party.
Modern Conservative ^ | Christopher Cook

Posted on 01/09/2008 8:54:49 AM PST by connell

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To: PsyOp
You make a lot of good points, what many fail to acknowledge re the foreign alliance statement is in the same speech, Washington also said it was important to honor treaties. The foreign alliance comment was directed at a very specific situation with Spain. The Constitution also refers in several locations to honoring treaties, thus, acknowledges the need for them, and it also authorizes congress to use international laws as they see fit.
421 posted on 01/09/2008 5:40:22 PM PST by mnehring
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To: rb22982
The writings in question aren’t even his.

They are under his name and above his signature. If he disagreed with their content he should have done something about it long ago.

It's as much his inaction as it is content. If you can't see that, then you are very shortsighted.

422 posted on 01/09/2008 6:15:42 PM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: rb22982

I have read that. What’s still missing is any explicit attempt over the years to counter the allegations made within the articles in question. On that he has remained silent.

You can try to cover up for his silence all you want. It doesn’t wash with me, or for that matter with many others.


423 posted on 01/09/2008 6:18:28 PM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: SoldierDad
"PAUL WANTS TO DESTROY OUR MILITARY"

Any documentation?

424 posted on 01/09/2008 6:20:25 PM PST by Designer
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To: be-baw
You sound like you think being a Republican is a good thing. It used to be, but the brand is losing market share...

So let's roll up our sleeves and fix whatever is wrong from within. If I had my druthers, we would move towards lower spending and taxes, and a smaller government. I agree also that we could do away with several departments. Reagan wanted to do that too, but it's not easy in a representative democracy to get all that we want. A couple of R. Paul's issues are great, but so much of the rest is really questionable. I believe there is a better way than R. Paul!
425 posted on 01/09/2008 6:28:33 PM PST by connell (I will not cease from mental fight, nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem; pissant
“I second that. Get out, Paul!” Chase away all the people who have never been exposed to the idea of limited government (lord knows not by the GOP of the Bushes!) and are now excited about it, and see what kind of frontrunners you get.

Some FReepers are missing the point about Paul by such a wide margin that I don't even know where to begin.

Relax people! He is NOT going to be POTUS obviously.

But he is doing something that will be much more valuable to keep (rather than "change") America from becoming a one world Gubmint sinkhole. He is introducing the young voters who have been indoctrinated in public schools and "collectivism" to the idea of limited government and freedom.

Don't hate the player, hate the game baby!

426 posted on 01/09/2008 6:37:53 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: connell
So let's roll up our sleeves and fix whatever is wrong from within. If I had my druthers, we would move towards lower spending and taxes, and a smaller government. I agree also that we could do away with several departments. Reagan wanted to do that too, but it's not easy in a representative democracy to get all that we want. A couple of R. Paul's issues are great, but so much of the rest is really questionable. I believe there is a better way than R. Paul!

One of the oft repeated criticisms of Ron Paul's limit government positions is that he doesn't have specific, concrete plan all laid out to make it happen. Apparently just saying it's a good thing and we should work toward it is useless.

427 posted on 01/09/2008 6:43:21 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

“Don’t hate the player, hate the game baby!”

Word up E-Dawg!


428 posted on 01/09/2008 6:44:54 PM PST by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: tacticalogic

“One of the oft repeated criticisms of Ron Paul’s limit government positions is that he doesn’t have specific, concrete plan all laid out to make it happen.”

What kind of plan do you need?

Pack it in, turn out the lights. Sell the property.

Done deal.


429 posted on 01/09/2008 6:46:05 PM PST by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem
Pack it in, turn out the lights. Sell the property.

Seems like it ought to be manageable enough, doesn't it?

430 posted on 01/09/2008 6:53:25 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

“Seems like it ought to be manageable enough, doesn’t it?”

Yeah - people saying - “wheres the plan!” - what a lame excuse.

You don’t need a huge plan to shut it down.

Fire the uncivil servants. Sett the furniture. Sell the property. Case closed. Bye bye, Department of Education!


431 posted on 01/09/2008 6:57:11 PM PST by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
So enough of this Constitutionalist garbage, Ron Paul!

I did not see any complaint in the OP regarding Ron Paul's view on the Constitution...you're just utilizing a straw man argument, which shows your dishonesty. You are just providing further evidence that when it comes to Ron Paul supporters, integrity is not a prerequisite.

432 posted on 01/09/2008 7:08:27 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem

I love it when people call me dawg!


433 posted on 01/09/2008 7:08:40 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Now, even the America First committee became totally dedicated to the war effort once Pearl Harbor occured, including its most famous spokesman Charles Lindberg,...

Perhspa if the Rockwellites had existed back then, they would have been 'converted' by events, like Lindbergh. But now, two generations after the fact, the Rockwellites are claiming that we shouldn't have gotten into WW II. Pay special attention to Ralph Raico's articles on the site.

I would like to see the statement where Rockwell states that we deserve to be conquered by any enemy.

How short are our memories! Right after 9/11 the perennially obscure Rockwellites popped into the mainstream news precisely because of this position. Harry Browne, who at one time was the Libertarian Party candidate, was almost run out of the country for saying this.

434 posted on 01/09/2008 8:11:53 PM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: elhombrelibre

Evidence??? Cites??? Proof????


435 posted on 01/09/2008 9:13:18 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: NavyCanDo

So it’s really Republican to want to incarcerate or kill someone who wants to use intoxicants that YOU disapprove of? Can you point out the specific part or parts of the Constitution which grant FedGov one whit of authority to do that?


436 posted on 01/09/2008 9:28:15 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: SoldierDad

Can you please tell me what “workable military deterrence” requires us having hundreds of thousands of troops stationed in over 120 different nations?

A simple plan of port calls by Naval and Marine forces would for any legitimate defense of our nation be sufficient to show the flag and have forces reasonably close to some place they MIGHT be needed. But having troops STATIONED in so many other SOVEREIGN nations is foolish at best. It’s like those kids who taunted the tiger at the SF zoo... Two seriously injured and one dead. Yes, the tiger is dead, and rightly so, but there was no need for the kids to taunt it.

Tell me, just exactly how would you react were the United States to have foreign troops, say from China or the Mid-East, STATIONED in this country? Might you not react as the tiger did? Yet this is how you want US to do other nations. WHY?


437 posted on 01/09/2008 10:00:02 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: PsyOp

Where is there credible evidence that Soros has given one solitary cent to Ron Paul? I mean CREDIBLE evidence, not your unsupported assertions and accusations and suppositions...


438 posted on 01/09/2008 10:41:34 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Thank you. Good post.


439 posted on 01/09/2008 11:22:18 PM PST by jd777
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To: rb22982
Neo-Con I'd believe as most people strongly in favor of Iraq on the Republican party are or lean Neo-Con.

This is how Ron Paul himself define neo-cons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJlyr8dheEM&feature=related

440 posted on 01/10/2008 3:04:46 AM PST by Lukasz
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