Posted on 01/07/2008 5:01:52 AM PST by SJackson
Does it not bother you that the Muslims are not calling him an apostate? For many, it is grounds for the mark of death.
Sorry, that troubles me. The only religion I would not except is Islam. They are warring with us.
I agree with what you are saying. For some reason (actually, many reasons) Obama worries me. I cannot put my finger on it, but it is something.
~Corey
I can't imagine it would. In fact in the absense of further evidence, it would likely be played as another example of right wing bigotry, the fact that Hillary first brought it up aside.
putting fred up would be 1996 all over again... old, slow white guy versus the young energetic
only winning GOP solution would be Romney in the top seat to bring the northeast and some of the west, and a southern draw on the 2nd seat... and Thompson fits the VP role very well.
Thanks Ghost,
As I read this thread, I was thinking the same thing - that his current radical church could be even more damaging when people find out about it across the country.
Anyway to save a cached version of their website the way it is now? So that we don’t have a new version that is “enhanced” to help the Obama candidacy?
In some parts of the world that's a death sentence.
Someone should. As someone aspiring to lead all Americans, Obama should disavow his friend. see post 38
I caught a few minutes of an urban talks show in Cleveland yesterday and the topic was Obama, of course.
The callers kept calling in saying they couldn’t vote for a Muslim....
See post 38 as to why his religion concerns me.
The hands-off attitude towards Obama’s faith is one of the more perplexing issues of this campaign. The religion in question is the most violent, savage and intolerant religion ever created. It is a religion that is in a perpetual state of war with the Christian West. It also a religion that sanctions lying to Christian and Jewish infidels.
Of course we have a right to ask questions about Obama’s ties to Islam. We’d have to be insane not to.
Absolutely, see post 38. And his pastor, who he's described in the past as a close friend and inspiration, has made some odd statements in the past about the war and Zionist influence, many of which have disappeared from the internet. I'll try to find my old posts. More from his Church. If anyone wants to search the site and see if they mention America rather than Africa anywhere, have fun.
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Talking Points
Dr. Wright’s talking points (3.1.7) for Trinity United Church of Christ its Web site and the Black Value System (in response to Erik Rush’s comments (2.28.07) on the Hannity and Colmes show):
• One of the biggest gaps in knowledge that causes the kind of ignorance that you hear spouted by this man [Erik Rush] and those like him, has to do with the fact that these persons are completely ignorant when it comes to the Black religious tradition. The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.
• Black theology is one of the many theologies in the Americas that became popular during the liberation theology movement. They include Hispanic theology, Native American theology, Asian theology and Womanist theology.
• I use the word “systematized” because Black liberation theology was in existence long before Dr. Cone’s book. It originates in the days of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. It was systematized and published by theologians, Old Testament scholars, New Testament scholars, ethicists, church historians, and historians of religion such as Dr. James Cone, Dr. Cain Hope Felder, Dr. Gayraud Wilmore, Dr. Jacqueline Grant, Dr. Kelley Brown Douglas, Dr. Renita Weems, Dr. Katie Cannon, Dr. Dwight Hopkins, Dr. Linda Thomas, and Dr. Randall Bailey.
• These scholars, who write in various disciplines, also include seminary presidents like Dr. John Kinney and professors of Hebrew Bible, like Dr. Jerome Ross. Black liberation theology defines Africans and African Americans as subjects – not the objects which colonizers and oppressors have consistently defined “others” as.
• We [African Americans] were always seen as objects. When we started defining ourselves, it scared those who try to control others by naming them and defining them for them; Oppressors do not like “others” defining themselves.
• To have a church whose theological perspective starts from the vantage point of Black liberation theology being its center, is not to say that African or African American people are superior to any one else.
• African-centered thought, unlike Eurocentrism, does not assume superiority and look at everyone else as being inferior.
• There is more than one center from which to view the world. In the words of Dr. Janice Hale, “Difference does not mean deficience.” It is from this vantage point that Black liberation theology speaks.
• Systematized Black liberation theology is 40 years old. Scholars of African and African American religious history show that Black liberation theology, however, has been in existence for 400 years. It is found in the songs, the sermons, the testimonies and the oral literature of Africans throughout the Diaspora.
"It was ... at Trinity United Church of Christ on the South Side of Chicago that I met Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., who took me on another journey and introduced me to a man named Jesus Christ. It was the best education I ever had," Obama described his spiritual pilgrimage to a group of church ministers this past June.
The media has been savaging “evangelicals” and mormons. But the media is not permitted to discuss Islamic principles.
Oh, for crap's sake -- we're talking about an 8-year old kid. That's not a "practicing Muslim," that's a kid being taken along.
I'm no Obama fan, but this is ridiculously stupid.
Take out the word Black and insert White...can you imagine the MSM storm....
Hmmm, the timing of this article raises some questions. Now that Obama has opened up a double digit lead over Hillary in NH, I expect the politics of personal destruction to go into high gear. Pipes is ostensibly right of center in his political philosophy, but one wonders what his motivations are for writing this article now.
“Hmmm, the timing of this article raises some questions. Now that Obama has opened up a double digit lead over Hillary in NH, I expect the politics of personal destruction to go into high gear. Pipes is ostensibly right of center in his political philosophy, but one wonders what his motivations are for writing this article now.”
Maybe he is as irritated as I am by the lack of substance in Obama’s statements combined with the lack of substance in the reporting about Obama.
I believe that both Obama and the Clintons have a socialist agenda in the wings.
I believe that the Clintons (who would be continuing their previous administration) would treat this as a “do-over” for 1993. One without Waco or the WTC bombing. One without Whitewater or Paula Jones or Monica. They are itching to push forward their agenda and hope to keep the Democrat majority (which may not hold in 2008).
What’s more I think that the Clintons are willing to pull out the stops to smear, investigate, audit, etc. their political enemies whereas Obama may find some moral disgust at trying to follow in their political footsteps.
Both candidates have the wrong policy, I believe that one is willing to use any means necessary to push through those policies.
If Obama learned about Islam AND Christianity and CHOSE Christianity, this is a plus in my book.
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