McCain says leadership trumps management skills

Boston Globe ^ | 12/31/07 | Holly Ramer (AP)

[Norman Bates]

Thanks! I’d have to say that’s one of my best posts in a long time! :-)

[Checkers]

“There you go again. Keep pulling out your boogey man from your bag of campaign tricks. But before you do, take some time to answer this question: What makes you think that torture is effective? Please provide some data showing torture is effective.”

Honey, you’re the one that brought up “torture”.

I was talking about water-boarding.

[Checkers]

“Border security, employer sanctions, self-deportation by attrition, and no amnesty would do it for me.”

I don’t see how anything else would work.

[Veronica Mars]

As far as the Social Security Reform: nice picture. Again, I ask, WHERE WAS JOHN?

Try this link from a story bashing McCain for helping Bush campaign for Social Security reform. Key quote:

Instead, Bush launched one last effort to sell skeptical Americans on private accounts. By his side at several stops was McCain ...

It seems even the opponents of Social Security reform know that McCain worked with President Bush. Now you know, too.

[Checkers]

“John McCain strikes me as a sincere man.”

I can’t say that I agree.

Too many knifes in back.

[Norman Bates]

I answered every one of your questions and you either can't understand that or can't accept that. I'm sorry.

Did I say that McCain jailed anyone? No, I did not. I said he brought down a multi-billion dollar defense sham. And two were jailed. Two seperate clauses there.

Can you see the picture of McCain campaigning on the trial with President Bush for S.S. in 2005? Well, that's where he was. He campaigned with Bush. And by a rather remarkable stroke I was able to rebut humorously your suggestion that he didn't even raise a finger!

[Norman Bates]

I am so confident.

[Veronica Mars]

Water boarding is torture no matter what sort of denial you or Romney may wish to use.

[devere]

Some people claim (falsely in my opinion) that both George W Bush and Dick Cheney are also draft dodgers. So far as I know neither of them broke any law to evade military service, and neither did Rudolph Giuliani. In my opinion, you are just engaging in name-calling.

[Norman Bates]

I am deeply humbled by your compliment. I try to conduct myself as such.

Thank you, my FRiend.

[Checkers]

“Furthermore your theory is predicated on the notion that waterboarding is the only way to gain intelligence - which is utterly absurd.”

Since I never said that, I can assume you simply erred rather than distorting what I said.

I’ve seen no reason to take “waterboarding” off the table.

[Veronica Mars]

Are you ready to admit that you were wrong about McCain and his support for President Bush's Social Security reform proposal?

Here's another link to a story showing your statement to be false. Key quote:

McCain has been especially supportive of his onetime rival, appearing with Bush at three events over the past two days in trying to prod Democrats into negotiations to include private accounts in a plan to revamp Social Security. The popular senator said that the nation's aging population makes it impossible for Social Security to pay promised benefits far into the future unless fundamental changes are made in the program.

McCain said he supports Bush's plan to allow workers to divert nearly a third of their Social Security taxes into personal accounts.

Admit it, you were wrong.

[Checkers]

“You’re making the argument Clinton made regarding his failure to serve.”

Clinton agreed to join the Arkansas ROTC in order to avoid the draft.

Clinton reneged on his agreement.

If this is the best you’ve got on Rudy, you need to hang it up for the night.

[devere]

Nobody likes the idea of torture, but I agree with Mitt that we shouldn’t publicly discuss exactly what methods we might use and in what circumstances we might use them. Keep the evil ones guessing. And then there’s the old saying, “circumstances alter cases”. Suppose we captured a participant in a plot to blow up an American city with a nuclear weapon. Are you saying the President could retaliate and destroy a foreign city thereby killing millions of people, but in no circumstances might he order the rough interrogation of one such suspect? There seems to be a difficult moral dilemma here that defies an easy and pat answer.

[Finalapproach29er]

Oh, and thank you for your service in the Navy.”
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He lost not one, but two aircraft.
Was at the bottom of his class.
His family has a past regarding slavery (sure to thrill black voters when explioted by the racial arsonist clinton gang).

He married into a rich family like Kerry.
McCain hasn’t led anything that I know of.

[Norman Bates]

Waterboarding has been compromised as an interrogation technique. There are other time tested means of interrogation that are effective.

[Checkers]

“It seems even the opponents of Social Security reform know that McCain worked with President Bush. Now you know, too.”

Great, he appeared at a PR event.

WHAT-DID-MCCAIN-ACTUALLY-DO-AS-A-SENATOR(his actual job)TO-REFORM-SOCIAL-SECURITY?

(We know he has made time for McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, Gang of 14 etc.)

[Veronica Mars]

I appreciate your comments, but I must vehemently disagree with your characterization of torture as “rough interrogation methods.” I don’t think we weaken our national security by rejecting torture because I haven’t found credible evidence that torture is actually effective. The costs of using torture are too high while the benefits are too low.

[Veronica Mars]

You stated that McCain didn’t lift a finger to help the President. In fact, McCain went on the road to campaign with the President. You were wrong, admit your mistake and move on.

[Norman Bates]

Romney talking down to John McCain on torture is the schoolchild backtalking the teacher. It’s laughable.

My point would be that we avoid ever getting to the ticking time bomb scenario, because if it ever gets that far and waterboarding is the only thing between us and a ticking mass casualty attack we’re already screwed.