Posted on 12/27/2007 11:20:42 AM PST by PlainOleAmerican
Will do sir
I've been around long enough to be a realist. I've got family members who voted for Perot out of deeply held convictions and their votes delivered Bill Clinton into office for 8 years. Paul is not going to win the nomination. Paul is not going to win the Presidency even as a 3rd party candidate. Paul will bleed votes that might go to the republican nominee. This country can't afford another Clinton Presidency. I can't afford it either.
Sure would hate to think you contributing to his campaign would make all the difference. Wouldn’t you?
Sorry...but voting for Paul is kind of like writing in Mickey Mouse on the ballot. Sure, you’ve made a statement but in the end, you threw away the one chance you had to choose between the two people most likely to win the election. That’s the reality.
Reality is, there are more Americans out there like Ron Paul, than the current Republican and Democratic parties like to see!
It will be so frightening to the corporations, CFR, organisations like ACLU, PETA, and so many more. So many who are in monetary power over our congress and other issues will suffer under Ron Paul! They will be ignored, cause he will be there for the Americans.
This race is going to be too close for comfort, and so many Reps and Cons are afraid of loosing some comforts. Our people have been given convenience for too long, we need to straighten up and accept a traditional Republican Candidate.
Ron Paul will make, but only because people like you Jess35, took a leap of faith.
Chris Peden can have the seat. Paul’s going to win the nomination.
We can’t afford another tax and spend GWB-style budget busting presidency either.
We can’t suffer disengenuious-neocon-warmongering for profit any longer either.
Our phantom paper 'dollar', the 'Federal Reserve Note', has been devalued to dangerous levels. Hyperinflation is upon us.
If you were around when ‘Jimmah’ Carter was in control, you should know, that these jerks would understand that 26% inflation to pay for LBJ’s guns and butter war killed our buying power.
Hundreds of thousands of families already are headed for tent city as this crap keeps up. It might be your family or relatives that loses their home or job.
Take the blinders off and study the issues. Don’t keep swallowing the Party Pablum and excepting their line of malarkey.
We are in trouble my friends. It’s pathetic that so many folks are too stupid to see it coming.
I know many of you will eventually get a clue however. You prove that because you take the time to engage the threads. I hope that you don't hesitate to long though.
129,119 people from all over the country contributed separately in this quarter. It's said, in the national primaries, only 1 in 100 voters will contribute to a candidate. This should translate to over 12.9 million raw votes leaning to Ron Paul in the general election. There's not a candidate on either side can come close to that.
BTW, ridicule does not become us in an intelligent discussion.
HA HA HA...like a cold day in h@ll.
Ron Paul averages out to 5% support in the National Polls.
You need 15% to be in the National Debates.
Losertarians...as Medved would say.
Really,
I had a audit with the IRS in downtown Chicago.
With government jobs you get healthcare and other benefits.
If you work your whole adult life you get a pension.
The accountant doing my audit is concerned about losing his livelihood. He has worked very hard for that.
In his suitcase he has a picture of Ron Paul with stick pins in it. He smiled and told me not to vote for this madman....for the love of G@D DON’T vote for the bastard.
Then he showed me his picture of his large family and then he said, “I have to take care of my family...where will I find another job with good salary and healthcare? Many civil companies like to hire a younger accountants just out of college.
He’s at age where he is getting ready to retire in 14 years and older unemployed workforce are pushed to the margins.
“I am a unon steward for the NTEU of the IRS and I vote for Ron Paul. I hate the IRS and hate having to work there!!”
If you don’t like your employment you have the free will to quit. I’m sure G@d will take care of you.
“Vote for Ron Paul so CourtneyLeigh will be fired”
Ronbots flood the Straw man Polls Constantly.
One poll was so uneven...Mainstream Media took it off.
Ronbots cry foul.
It’s a media conspiracy to shut Ron Paul down and not get his message across.
Look for yourself...TV manager explains why.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/21257762/
To be apart of the National Presidential Debates you need to meet this critera....
From the Commission of Presidential Debates
3. Indicators of Electoral Support
The CPD’s third criterion requires that the candidate have a level of support of at least 15% (fifteen percent) of the national electorate as determined by five selected national public opinion polling organizations, using the average of those organizations’ most recent publicly-reported results at the time of the determination.
http://www.debates.org/pages/candsel2008.html
Here’s Ron Paul’s status in the National Polls.
He averages out less than 5%!
FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Dec. 18-19, 2007. N=315 Republican voters nationwide. MoE ± 6.
12/18-19/07 - %
Rudy Giuliani 20
Mike Huckabee 19
John McCain 19
Mitt Romney 11
Fred Thompson 10
Ron Paul 3
Duncan Hunter 2
Tom Tancredo 1
Other (vol.) -
Unsure 13
Wouldn’t vote (vol.) 1
Sam Brownback n/a
Chuck Hagel n/a
Other polls included.
NBC, USA Today, Reuters/Zogby Poll, Diageo, American Research Group, ABC, CNN Opinion Research Poll, CBS, Associated Press/Ipsos poll, Los Angeles/Bloomberg Poll, Associated Press/Pews
http://pollingreport.com/wh08rep.htm
Paul's fundraising and grassroots support have rendered the polls irrelevant.
If he places 3rd or higher in Iowa, you can kiss the other candidates goodbye.
He's got NH & NV locked up, and he'll finish strong in MI, FL, and SC.
While the other candidates are going broke, he'll have the money to compete in Super Duper Tuesday.
He's not stronger on economic and monetary issues.
Paul is better than Hunter on sovereignty issues too.
Better than Hunter on federalism and limited government.
grassroots support from the tin foil crowd.
Straw polls are Extremely unscientific.
Anybody can vote and vote often to Flood the Straw Polls.
Ron Paul is a 5% Losertarian....as Medved would say.
No! Unless you have several years of work specialty experience before and or during working for the IRS, majority of employers will not consider you for employment. I thought this was just MY sorry ass problem, but it wasn’t.
I have spoken with about a dozen or more people in the last 6 months, who have quit the IRS and have suffered looking for work. Or others like myself who are going to school part-time, because we can’t get anywhere with our IRS Experience. Working for the government is not a skill code, doe not equal higher education and in fact majority of the departments in the IRS dumb down business profession, business etiquette and totally slash away at proper management organizing!
Most of you wouldn’t know what really goes on, if you knew how President Bush has been down sizing and outsourcing our IRS - putting out hundreds of thousands of jobs in the last 2-3 years, YOU would be disturbed.
Let me introduce you to some people I know that suffer working as a seasonal employee, or who were improperly let go from their jobs on just the testimony of one other employee and or manager without proper investigation first, let me find for you how many cases of discrimination, retaliation and unconstitutional treatment that goes on in at the IRS!
I know what that man feels, is probably 101% true for each employee. It scares me, cause my mother and a few other loved ones work at the IRS - they are older, worked hard all there lives, have some form of vocational education, but not enough to get them a good paying job outside the government? Folks even the local state government in our area pays better for some of the same work we do! They treat their organization like an actual business.
Every IRS employee knows what they would have to lose - I am not alone, I sit in my area with at least 6 other individuals from all areas of the Tristate, from all ages who totally agree they should do without the IRS - Are we crazy? NO - We hate it! As federal employees, we lose anywhere from 20-38% of our wages every month JUST TO FEDERAL Taxes! Not to forget, we have to have a Union to keep us safe from the BOSS and his inadequately trained and poorly run organization that costs us a little more money! Plus, we get a lot less health benefits for our money than many other corporations in the area. Other employees may pay more for health benefits - but they get fuller options.
I could tell you more.... like how about the security measures and how they treat their outsourced security/maintenance workers! How about there is higher security clearance working in the packing warehouse for Amazon.com than we have the IRS (which handles peoples money everyday!).
How about the fact that working for the IRS, who doesn’t offer us any type of emergency insurance for working in a facility that on the average of 4-6 times a year (per facility) will be LOCKED DOWN due to possible hazardous attacks in the mail or docking area!
As an IRS employee we are not allowed to contact the Fire Department, local Police, OSHA (spell?) without permission from our local Commissioner! We have to depend on our low staffed, badly treated security to contact the Fire Department for us... etc.
YOUR Government does not care about the people working at the IRS, it is a bad place! THE IRS is an agency that shouldn’t exist - the federal government knows this. Until you really know the big picture coming from within there, you do not know how good it will be to get rid of this monster.
The man with the big family, who is worried about losing his job - if he is a High Grade official and a permanent full-time worker - he will have a greater chance of moving out of the National Treasury and into another department with a similar position criteria - just like many of us at the lower grade levels are trying to do. We all want out! We just don’t know how to do it, without getting hurt.
With regard to federalism, inalienable rights (D of I) preempt states' rights. Beyond that, I'm all for it.
Boy, talk about sour grapes and you want to vote for Ron Paul. He will do MORE downsizing and giving all the jobs to independent contractors and let the market place dictate policies. Ron Paul want to dramatically reduce government and return it to late 1800’s....very limited federal government.
“Most of you wouldn’t know what really goes on, if you knew how President Bush has been down sizing and outsourcing our IRS - putting out hundreds of thousands of jobs in the last 2-3 years, YOU would be disturbed.”
Honey, the government been downsizing since the Soviet Union collasped and it didn’t start on GW Bush’s watch. Many federal jobs have been outsourced. My husband use to have a federal job on the base but the government thought they could save money by outsourcing it to Goodwill Industries.
It does save money for the taxpayers because they don’t have to pay union wages. All the regular jobs go to the disabled who need job training and experience.
They also closed many military bases because they were obsolete and we didn’t have the Soviet threat anymore. Most of the Department of Defense has been outsourced too...except for certain specialities.
This is what you wanted right...stop the Government bloat. When the government cuts and trims...you complain how unfair life treated you.
My husband retired in the military in 1995 because they wanted to downsize the military personnel but his job speciality in the Navy didn’t transfered to the civilian workforce.
But we manage.
We don’t blame the government.
We just make adjustments.
c’est la vie!
At least we have our retirement check coming in each month but we do have to pay for our healthcare on the base.
He works for Goodwill now. He has no Union representative because Goodwill is a non-for profit organization.
The Federal Employees Union tried to orgnaize a Union with Goodwill employees but can’t....due to the non-for-profit status. They claim the employees are under training.
And the Union on the base don’t like that.
How many people work for the federal government?
“The Federal Government had a permanent workforce of 2,630,755 in FY 1994, and 2,428,330 individuals in FY 2003.”
That is a Job Lost of 202,425 employees in the Federal Government in the last nine years.
http://www.eeoc.gov/federal/fsp2003/part1.html
Yeah, it just makes me sick to see the way the government gets it’s hands involved in our lives and then mistreats it. I am not ignorant to the fact that we would not have exactly 100% perfect government, please do not “honey” me.
Life hasn’t treated me unfairly, do not take my post as a something personal. This is just my experience and what I share from observation of others experience.
Ron Paul will not just downsize he will obliviate! Woo Hoo! Very Limited Government indeed - something our family has been praying and hoping on for over 18+ years.
Let me tell you something else, if Ron Paul eliminates IRS there will be no Contracting of jobs, maybe putting people elsewhere,,,, folks may get moved around - but the way I understand the IRS JOBS will be gone!
Lets go, and get away again from the likes of dictating government (like the queen of england), our president is more and more like the KING OF THE Government.
We the people our the “Royal Crown” of our government, let us not forget that.
Do you really think, there will be any policies left to that would hurt our country if Ron Paul gets in? Again he is here for the America, not just himself - not for the $.
Milligan, I’ve worked at the IRS for ten years now, I’ve been there long enough for my taste, and around senior employees(some 40years in service). 1 out of every 2 will tell you they never seen the IRS go through in history what it has under the Bush/Bush administration (Both Presidents). Do not Poo Poo what you STILL do not know from the inside!!!
Obviuosly his job had an opportunity outside the Government, working for Goodwill doing the exact same kind of work - sorry there is no union. Unfortunately it is the UNIONS that keep democracy in this country - unfortunately the federal employees have to have a UNION just to protect their hides from the Federal Government!!!!!
Again the IRS being eliminated will not find other similar jobs for their employees outside under some independent contractor. NO ONE will need those skills - there will be no federated taxes on income and business income again!
You are misunderstanding and putting thoughts in my words that are not there - life is not mistreating me, and I’m always happy to see less government involved.
Shoot - I’d love to see our State Defence Organizations like the State Guard be replenished. Instead of the Government wasting our monies on National Guards, that can and will be called up in wars - when they SHOULD be here to defend our States!!! Good knock down the damn Department of Defense, but give those jobs back to our Ohio (ARMORY)- Kentucky - Indiana - Virginia - State Guards.
If people do not hold the government responsible, and just ignore it - that’s their own damn fault. Thanks for not standing up for your American rights - you just make it easier for the government to get away with more.
Hope you enjoy losing our jobs to illegal aliens!
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