Posted on 12/19/2007 5:42:22 PM PST by BenLurkin
those examples of what I said are not getting energy out of nothing...there is simply more coming out than goes in. If you were more of an honest person you would verify what I am saying by calling the protium company and they will verify the truth of the matter. I am afraid that you have been educated out of some of your God given commonsense.
Getting more energy out of the water than you put into the water is energy out of nothing. It doesn't happen.
If you were more of an honest person you would verify what I am saying by calling the protium company and they will verify the truth of the matter.
If you understood physics, you wouldn't need to call.
Tell you what, why don't you call and ask them why their invention doesn't violate the laws of thermodynamics? Please ping me when you post their answer.
you know, the interesting thing is that you think these people that are using the supplemental hydrogen systems are dumb like me...but who is a bit dumb when they are spending 25-100% less on gas and getting better and cleaner running cars. The results speak for themselves. They are using a very small amount of electricity and some catalyst both which amount to pennies per tankful and are getting great improvements in mpg’s. That’s the facts...they speak for themselves. Perhaps you have believed a false teaching. Can you even consider that? Why don’t you give it a try...you may end up freer to learn that God has given us abundant energy to tap into.
They're only dumb if they think they can get more energy out of water than the energy used to split the water.
They are using a very small amount of electricity and some catalyst
Using a catalyst? Do you know what a catalyst is? Maybe you know what catalyst they use?
both which amount to pennies per tankful and are getting great improvements in mpg’s. That’s the facts
The fact that Hydrogen has a complete burn cycle and above sonic speed flame front, Hydrogen can alter the combustion dynamics of other fuels which thereby increases the adiabatic efficiency of the engine's combustion cycle. In other words, when you introduce Hydrogen into an engine that is running on another fuel, that other fuel, burns faster, burns cleaner and requires less of the other fuel to perform it's work.
We know that gasoline engines are roughly, only 21% efficient and diesel engines are about 40% efficient, however, when we add hydrogen into the combustion cycle, for every 1% increase in the adiabatic efficiency, we receive a 2.5% decrease in fuel consumption. So the more Hydrogen, the better the fuel economy.
The above 2 paragraphs are from the Protium website. See the underlined portion? It claims a gasoline engine is 21% efficient. That means the useful energy in gasoline is only 21% of the total energy. The other 79% is probably lost to friction and heat. So, if Protium claims that adding hydrogen increases the amount of useful energy that can be extracted from the gasoline, that is much different than claiming they can get more energy out of hydrogen than they put into splitting the water.
Perhaps you have believed a false teaching.
Perhaps you should take a reading comprehension class before you take a Physics class?
Why don’t you give it a try...you may end up freer to learn that God has given us abundant energy to tap into.
It's true, crude oil and gasoline have lots of energy that we can use. Water does not.
well, I am glad at least you are reading their site. But what you are missing is the fact that they have found a way with their protium reactors that will indeed use only water and the catalyst to run cars for pennies to the gallon. You just are wrong about needing an equal amount of energy in order to get the energy from water. They and others have already proved that to be wrong. Hydrogen has the most energy per weight ratio of any fuel, that’s why nasa uses it for their rockets and why it will set us free from middle east oil dependency and open up a huge new world of economic benefits for all. The oil companies will suffer for sure, but at the great benefit of the whole world. Are we supposed to continue to drag our feet in regards to great new technologies in order to keep the oil industry alive? Of course not.
Your Protium company only guarantees a 10% increase in fuel economy using their hydrogen system. Consider the math... Assume I drive a vehicle that gets 25mpg, I drive 12,000 per year, and gas is $3.00 per gallon. That means I use $480 gallons of gas per year, costing $1,440.
Now using their system, I get 27.5 mpg. That means I now use 436 gallons per year costing $1309. Their system “saves” me $130 per year.
Unfortunately, their system costs $900 + labor. Assuming two hours at $60/hour, they total costs is $1,200. It takes 9.2 years to break even, or 12.7 years at a 5% cost of capital.
The good news is that if I install today, by 2020 I’ll break even. The bad news is, I’ll be driving a 13 year old POS.
A Trabant in every garage, brought to you courtesy of the Democratic Party.....
Yeah, tell it to Einstein.
The oil companies will suffer for sure
LOL!
Are we supposed to continue to drag our feet in regards to great new technologies in order to keep the oil industry alive?
Well, a perpetual motion machine or a protium "reactor" that gets more energy out of water than you put in would certainly be a new technology. Unfortunately, neither will happen.
your math is off slightly, but actually the results of most users is quite a bit higher than 10%. More like 25-50% and sometimes more. I found an even more affordable comapny here which has a wonderful hydrogen supplemental system that’s easy to install. Read some of the testimonials...very impressive and they can be verified.http://www.savefuel.ca/hydrogen/index.php?id=index
As soon as you start using liquid hydrogen in your car, let me know.
and why it will set us free from middle east oil dependency and open up a huge new world of economic benefits for all.
And all this hydrogen is going to be made by protium reactors? If not, where will the energy come from for this wonderful hydrogen future?
you honestly don’t sound very bright for an educated man. I think they took some of your commonsense with all of that education. You need some work there...why don’t you download the be still from fhu.com. It’s free and has helped millions of people to be happy and free.
Laws of Thermodynamics.
You need some work there...
If I pray, I can get energy out of water?
I'm shocked that you couldn't answer my questions. LOL!
well, when the protium comapny comes out with the full hydrogen conversions for all cars for about $900 I will get back to you and see what you say then.
Yeah. But you will be able to buy two sporty coupes, one for mom to drive and one for dad to drive. Take the family out for dinner, take both cars.
Both will meet 35 mpg CAFE, but family's effective mpg=17!
May sound silly, but as cars get tiny and you can no longer fit everyone in the micro-truckster comfortably, I suspect this is not going to be uncommon.
Another example of unexpected consequences of government meddling.
Feds take more control. GM sells more cars per family. Exxon sells more gas. Enviros send more thank-you donations to the dems. Everyone's happy!
CAFE doesn't care how much MPG-per-passenger a car gets. It's so damn stupid.
AH but you forget the proposed “mileage tax”!
the proof will be when folks can add on the protium system for about $900 and run for pennies on the gallon of distilled water. It doesn’t matter how much you and others doubt it, when it is happening, millions will be users almost immediately.
I know. Using just water and no gasoline. I can't wait. Why are they only charging $900?
It doesn’t matter how much you and others doubt it,
Will you be clicking your ruby slippers?
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