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Helmke also posted this propaganda to the Huffington Post (here).

I have (attempted) to post a response there. Whether the moderators will allow it remains to be seen. It was difficult to formulate a response, without referring to Helmke as a loathsome, reprehensible, despicable, dishonest sack of human excrement. But I managed. Somehow.

Here's my (attempted) response:


The firearms available to U.S. civilians are not "the types of guns we use in Iraq".

The firearms sold in the U.S., such as the AR-15, are semi-automatic ONLY. That means, when you pull the trigger, they fire one round (bullet) and one round ONLY.

The weapons used by our military are selective-fire. This means they are capable of BOTH semi-automatic AND fully-automatic fire.

Automatic weapons have been strictly regulated in the United States since passage of the National Firarms Act of 1934.

One does not simply walk into a gun store, and purchase an automatic weapon, as the dishonest Mr. Helmke would like you to believe.

Helmke states:

"...two states in the heart of the country have sustained mass shootings by people armed with by people armed with military-style assault rifles..."

Assault rifles, by definition, are selective-fire. ("Assault rifle" comes from the German "Sturmgewehr". The term, and it's defintion, are derived from the first "assault rifle", the "Sturmgewehr 44".)

The firearms used in the most recent attacks were semi-automatic only. They are not "assault rifles". Referring to semi-automatic rifles as "assault rifles" demonstrates a noted lack of veracity.

Helmke further states:

"...the type of bullet many assault weapons fire (7.62mm full metal jacket) can penetrate four categories of police body armor..."

The same is true of ALL center-fire rifle ammunition.

All classes of body armor are rated to stop certain calibers of ammuntion.

Class III & Class IV body armors are rated to stop rifle rounds (.308 Winchester & .30-06, respectively).

The other classes ("I" through "III-A") do NOT stop rifle rounds. These classes of body armor are not INTENDED to stop rifle rounds. They are rated to stop certain calibers of hand-gun ammunition, only.

Banning ammunition capable of penetrating certain classes of soft-body armor would mean a ban on ALL rifle ammunition.

If this is Mr. Helmkes' goal, I wish he would state it openly, and honestly, and without the hyperbole and misinformation.



1 posted on 12/14/2007 5:07:42 PM PST by holymoly
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To: holymoly; Joe Brower
There's a site for viewing the report here...The General Social Survey (GSS)...
...and a "User's Guide" site here...The General Social Surveys on Nesstar
I recommend reviewing the "User's Guide" first as it's very well done.
You'll eventually get to "Subject Index" and you'll want to look under "Guns".
99 posted on 12/14/2007 10:45:19 PM PST by philman_36
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Here's the meat of his "thinking"...

Variable SEMIGUNS : SHOULD SEMI-AUTO GUN SALE BE LIMITED TO MILITARY
Literal Question
Should semi-automatic, assault weapons or semi-automatic guns known as assault rifles be sold to the general public or should their sales be limited to the military and police?
Values Categories N NW
1 SOLD TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC 198 207
 15.6%
2 SALES BE LIMITED TO THE MILITARY AND POLICE 1125 1115
 84.4%
0 NAP 49649 49657
8 DONT KNOW 36 31
9 NO ANSWER 12 11
Summary Statistics

Valid cases 1323
Missing cases 49697
This variable is numeric
Variable RIFLES50 : SHOULD HIGH POWER RIFLE SALE BE LIMITED TO MILITARY
Literal Question
Currently under federal law, very high power, 50-caliber rifles that can penetrate armor from a mile away are available to people on the same basis as standard hunting rifles. Should such very high power rifles be 1) restricted only to the police and military, or 2) available to civilians like standard hunting rifles as they are at present?
Values Categories N NW
1 RESTRICTED TO THE POLICE AND MILITARY 1151 1147
 86.2%
2 AVAILABLE TO CIVILIANS LIKE OTHER HUNTING RIFLES 187 184
 13.8%
0 NAP 49649 49657
8 DONT KNOW 21 21
9 NO ANSWER 12 12
Summary Statistics
Valid cases 1338
Missing cases 49682
This variable is numeric

Take note of the "Valid cases" and the "Missing cases"!
No
Answer
Provided!


101 posted on 12/15/2007 12:04:01 AM PST by philman_36
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Paul Helmke: "Should The Public Be Able To Get The Types Of Guns We Use In Iraq? "

Well Pailie, I say 'dam straight'. But enough about me, let's hear what some experts on the Constitution and the 2A have to say on that.

Patrick Henry: "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined...The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.

Samuel Adams: "The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms."

Thomas Jefferson: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

And Paulie, before you retort with that militia thingy, read thsi...

George Mason: "Who are the militia? They consist of the whole people, except a few public officers."

Now drink your bottle, have your mama tuck you in and say night-night.

(oh and the 2A ain't about 'hunting' - unless the topic is hunting tyrants.)

103 posted on 12/15/2007 5:53:01 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy & Judi have more baggage than Samsonite. But that's okay the Cops carry it.)
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That’s an EASY question: OF COURSE! Stop infringing on their pre-existing RIGHTS!!!


124 posted on 12/18/2007 5:58:59 PM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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