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To: Luke Skyfreeper
I really don't understand this trend in this country to hail people as heroes for doing the job they were hired to do. Yes, this woman did a very good job and did save many lives, but that is why she was hired. I heard the pastor saying that the guard was there because there was alarm about the shooting near Denver.

Like many other words and phrases in our country, hero is losing some of its meaning by excessive usage.

9 posted on 12/10/2007 11:02:22 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

“I really don’t understand this trend in this country to hail people as heroes for doing the job they were hired to do.”

In most cases I would agree with you. But she was outgunned by some joker wearing body armor (if the reports are to be believed). Rushing him and taking him down took guts as well as skill with a pistol. Had she missed (by that I mean a small target not covered by helmet or vest), she’d probably be dead.

Assuming the facts are as I described them from the reports I have heard, I’d say she could rightly be called a hero.

I’ve known plenty of security guards who would have turned tail against those odds with the justification “they don’t pay me enough.”


83 posted on 12/10/2007 11:19:37 AM PST by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
She ran TO danger of her own volition and went up against someone with body armor. How would that fall short of the criteria for heroism?

And I'll bet we find out she puts in some serious range time ... which reminds me ...

103 posted on 12/10/2007 11:24:56 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
I really don't understand this trend in this country to hail people as heroes for doing the job they were hired to do. Yes, this woman did a very good job and did save many lives, but that is why she was hired. I heard the pastor saying that the guard was there because there was alarm about the shooting near Denver.

Like many other words and phrases in our country, hero is losing some of its meaning by excessive usage

Tell that to the people that were inside that church. She was a hero.

104 posted on 12/10/2007 11:25:05 AM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

If it was my ass she just saved, she’d sure be my hero!!


105 posted on 12/10/2007 11:25:30 AM PST by JZelle
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
By now I know you have realized your mistake since this woman was not a hired guard, but a volunteer at the church. However, even if she had been paid, and had "just been doing her job," as you state, she would still be a hero for achieving the success of preventing a huge tragedy there.

I much rather use the term "hero" for the brave, selfless people who act to save lives than on the volumes of sports figures such as the notorious O.J.was once called, and other football and basketball players have been called. They are held up to our youth as something heroic when they do NOTHING heroic at all. They practice, they play well and they are simply doing their jobs, and being paid very well to do them. They and their employers get amazingly rich because of people who idolize them, and their actions in the games they play as professional athletes are far from selfless. That is where the word "Hero" has been overused and abused - not in instances like this event where the woman put her own life on the line for the sake of protecting others -- paid or not.

114 posted on 12/10/2007 11:28:48 AM PST by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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“I really don’t understand this trend in this country to hail people as heroes for doing the job they were hired to do. Yes, this woman did a very good job and did save many lives, but that is why she was hired. I heard the pastor saying that the guard was there because there was alarm about the shooting near Denver.
Like many other words and phrases in our country, hero is losing some of its meaning by excessive usage.”

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Considering the average “rent a cop” type of security guard makes between $8-$12 an hour...I personally would not blame her one single bit if she had turned and run from this perp.

He supposedly was loaded with a bunch of extra clips / ammo and had body armor etc...and a semi-auto rifle with (I’m guessing here) a 20 round clip popped in the bottom.

She was likely armed with a pistol or revolver.

In my eyes... armed the way she was...if she’s gonna draw down against a person with that much firepower... she’s a damned hero, no question in my mind.

Just my opinion.


123 posted on 12/10/2007 11:31:39 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Your screen name fits you nicely.


135 posted on 12/10/2007 11:34:57 AM PST by oldvike
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Your point is quite valid, we do have a tendency to overuse the moniker of courage, especially with sports figures. However, given the information we have, this person truly did act heroically. Another person, job or not, might have turned tail and run when the shots were fired, but she faced the threat with little regard for her own safety, knowing that many other lives were threatened. She deserves the praise she is getting and any honors that may be bestowed upon her for her heroic actions.


158 posted on 12/10/2007 11:39:59 AM PST by xander
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
I really don't understand this trend in this country to hail people as heroes for doing the job they were hired to do.

I'd remind you, DumbBlond, that every person in the US Military right now has been "hired" to do the jobs they are doing. All of the Police and Firemen at the World Trade Center were paid to do the jobs they were doing.

Need I go on?

160 posted on 12/10/2007 11:40:40 AM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Like many other words and phrases in our country, hero is losing some of its meaning by excessive usage.

Your screenname is not.

163 posted on 12/10/2007 11:41:17 AM PST by the808bass
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
but that is why she was hired. I heard the pastor saying that the guard was there because there was alarm about the shooting near Denver.

Taking on a rifle-armed and armored opponent with nothing more than a pistol takes courage. That's heroism.

Being a professional sports boy or girl is not heroism.

181 posted on 12/10/2007 11:45:28 AM PST by Centurion2000 (False modesty is as great a sin as false pride.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Party pooper.

;)


187 posted on 12/10/2007 11:46:51 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Did you pick your screen name or did someone give it to you?


207 posted on 12/10/2007 11:51:35 AM PST by Taffini (Mr. Pippin and Mr. Waffles do not approve)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
I really don't understand this trend in this country to hail people as heroes for doing the job they were hired to do. Yes, this woman did a very good job and did save many lives, but that is why she was hired. I heard the pastor saying that the guard was there because there was alarm about the shooting near Denver.

It's my understanding that she was an unpaid, volunteer guard, possibly with a former law enforcement background.

But even if she was a paid professional, whether private security or LEO/military, it's probable that this was her first fatal shooting- most cops have not experienced one, and a good many who do decide that the weight of that responsibility is not something they continue to bear.

And some people, it bothers not very much. I fear that the undesired spotlight of the publicity that will befall her for this particular shooting will bring her grief she does not deserve to suffer, but we shall see.

Yeah, her action was *heroic* in my professional opinion. In the military, she'd likely qualify for the Soldier's Medal, or the equivalent from other services.

212 posted on 12/10/2007 11:53:04 AM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I would agree, BUT APPARENTLY this woman was a regular parishioner who essentially seemed to “volunteer” for this “job”. Only hours after the “concern” arose. I don’t think she qualifies as a regular-old “security guard”.


238 posted on 12/10/2007 12:01:32 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

You are MY hero!


251 posted on 12/10/2007 12:07:42 PM PST by bvw
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

“Like many other words and phrases in our country, hero is losing some of its meaning by excessive usage.”

Seems like a very courageous thing that she did. Hero seems like it fits to me whether she was paid, volunteered, man or woman.

I think the enthusiam of the thread reflects the unlikely source of the news: CNN.


260 posted on 12/10/2007 12:12:44 PM PST by incredulous joe (" I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize." - Stephen Wright)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
I really don't understand this trend in this country to hail people as heroes for doing the job they were hired to do. Yes, this woman did a very good job and did save many lives, but that is why she was hired.

I would agree if you're talking about a doctor or teacher, but staring down a gunman in mortal combat is something completely different.

270 posted on 12/10/2007 12:18:05 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (Don't taze me, bro!!)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
When you are armed with a handgun, and a guy is walking in, spraying bullets from a high-powered semi-automatic rifle...IT IS HEROIC, to charge that person and take them down, saving others while risking your own in such a fashion.

If this were not the case, many of our MOH recipients would have "just been doing their job" too. We recognize however that little phrase, "Above and beyond the call of duty". Thus the term hero, or more appropriately, "heroine" applies.

Furthermore, that security guard at the church shows us, without a doubt, that conceal carry and the ability for the private citizens to be armed, STOPS these attacks. That it SAVES LIVES, and that it should be the policy of every church, school, mall, etc.

THIS is what the MSM should be focusing on if they had a single ounce, one cintilla of true jounalism left in their collective system. This is the news, along with he attack itself, that should be grabbing healines:

"ARMED HEROINE PREVENTS SLAUGHTER AT CHURCH BY SHOOTING THE ATTACKER DEAD"

I am glad to see CNN, for at least the moment, giving her this exposure, but hopefully they will also focus on HOW she was able to accomplish it.

Finally, thank God that pastor there LISTENED to the inspiration he felt regarding protecting his flock, and then ACTED on it that morning by getting the additional security in place, which included, among other things as I understand it, getting his people to safe places within the church, each group protected by an armed security guard, and getting them out of the line of fire...as well as having this particular security guard near him who was able (and WILLING) to react to the attack by taking the fight directly to the perp and taking him down.

Without such actions and plan, there would have been a much, much more horrific body count I am afraid...which just punctuates the point of arming the people so they can stop such attacks as they develop.

282 posted on 12/10/2007 12:30:57 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
I mean that I agree with you! Because a whole lot of over-hero-izing goes on these days. I'm sure we are both happy for what the dear lady with a gun did, but hey -- it was needed to be done. She did her duty, volunteer or not.

She did her duty. That's better than being a hero.

289 posted on 12/10/2007 12:34:45 PM PST by bvw
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