Posted on 11/22/2007 7:37:13 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
“you continue to focus solely on the officer’s mistakes and are using this instance as a platform to pole vault your view that most, if not all, police are thugs.”
nonsense, you ignore numerous posts.
“and you have digressed to calling me, a cop who has clashed with you before but always remained relatively civil, names.”
just returning the favor
“i feel sorry for you. i see the fruits of my work every day right before my eyes. whether locking up a dangerous criminal, finding a lost child, or helping a battered wife i go home feeling good about what i do. the citations, thank-you cards, and pats on the back from respected bosses are welcome, but not necessary.”
Good for you. Why do you condone improper behavior by other LEO’s?
With your SHOUTING, your insults, and your projections of “what if”, you are some piece of work. But please, keep it up. You only serve to make your side look bad.
No. There were no construction signs either. Just a loose gravel sign, then the 40mph sign.
My mistake. I was wrong about that, and I apologize. It was very very late, and I was very tired.
I watched the video several times again today, and the basis of my siding for the officer, in this particular incident, is still valid.
Fault me all you want for my mistakes, but give the video a fair listen and view, several times, listening openly.
The driver repeatedly tells the officer, NO, I WON’T, YOU CAN’T, I’m NOT GOING TO. The officer had to ask for license and registration at least twice. The officer told him he was speeding six times, by my count, and yet the driver keeps saying “You haven’t told me what I did wrong.”
I am just very upset with posters who went into this with their eyes and ears shut, only paying attention when something they wanted to see or hear happened, and ignored everything else.
This officer, who many referred to as ‘young’, has 14 years on the force.
This driver, showed himself to be a WHINY LITTLE B*TCH trying to get out of a ticket any way he could.
He said he didn’t see the sign, that he wanted the cop to go back there and show it to him. He said that he slowed down when he got to the sign.
So, one way or the other, he was LYING.
I see why the posters who called this cop an ‘out of control pig’ are acting like they have. Their ‘replies’ sound amazing just like the words spoken by the driver of the SUV.
Thank you for your question, and allowing me to explain, and apologize.
“This driver, showed himself to be a WHINY LITTLE B*TCH trying to get out of a ticket any way he could.”
Why do you insist on insulting people?
“Apparently (from earlier on this thread) the cops scrambled this tape and his lawyers had to undo it.”
Now you are just making stuff up. Please site exactly where (what post) this occurred.
LOL I was saying the same thing. I never hear the officer say the word arrest anywhere in the video.
Now you are just making stuff up. Please site exactly where (what post) this occurred.
The Masseys, with the help of an attorney, also made a formal request for a copy of the video from Gardner's car; an audio copy of the trooper's radio traffic with dispatchers; and copies of any paperwork Gardner completed to document the incident.
So far, the couple said they have only received the video — which they had to have unscrambled by one of his co-workers to view — and the dispatch tape. The couple got a copy of Gardner's probable cause statement, which makes no mention of his use of a Taser, when they went to court. They said they have yet to receive the trooper's incident report. "They still haven't given us everything we've requested," Massey said.
See post#157 for link to news article where this was written.
End of problem.
Since the motorist’s signature on the ticket is needed only as proof that he was the individual who received it (service of process) the video, or a cop snapshot would do the trick just fine, too. (Photo radar and red light cameras show this to be true.)
Ironically, if the speeder had pulled a knife or gun when he went for his pockets, we’d all be bitching and arguing about how the cop screwed up because he didn’t control the situation. But since it turned out he was unarmed, the cop is a power-drunk nazi.
“He set the tone of resisting and disrespect from the beginning. “
So you are the attitude police?
Oh, my bad. I thought people got arrested for actual violations of the law.
A man can disagree w/ a Revenuer.
Jeez, go through yourself. LEO (LoL) do it all the time, BTW
LOL. Would we be better served if there were no police?
I don't think Officer Cassidy expected to get shot in the head as he walked into the store. For all I know, he was going to get a bite to eat, and not suspicious of a thing. Yet he walks in and in short order he is shot in the head. The shooter runs off, but before doing so, stops to take Officer Cassidy's gun. Despite all of his training and experience, Officer Cassidy probably never saw it coming.
Now, as for my take on what happened with this stop- I think the cop could have handled the matter a whole heck of a lot better. Tasing the driver was extreme and, at the point it occured, unnecessary. Still, I don't hold much sympathy for the driver. While it is obvious that the mean streets of Utah are a lot different than Philly, given my limited experience and relationships with police officers, if I were the driver, I would expect the police officer to be more than a little cautious (you might call it disrespectful) in that type of situation. The cop doesn't know me from Adam or from a donut store robber for that matter.
I don’t get the quaint references to canines.
But there is no need for the Revenuer to ask him to get out of his car, leave his family on the side of the road, for a traffic violation, unless he was unhappy that he was not being ‘respected’. Then he goes very quickly for the taser, without being in any danger or having tried to restrain the Citizen at all.
And if the Revenuer felt at risk b/c the citizen had his hand in his pocket, he needed to shoot him w/ a gun, not taze him. Watch and draw your own conclusions; mine is that this fellow didn’t treat the fuzz as he felt he should be, and decided to teach him a lesson. Over a stupid ticket.
Now, this fellow will walk out w/ mucho bucks, and the Revenuer will lose his pension. Know what? Ordering the wife back in the car after the Revenuer escalated the situation ALONE merits jail time for abuse of his position.
Are you a Revenuer who equates ‘respect’ w/ grovelling? B/c that’s what you appear to be.
Good for him. He’s coming into a pile, and rightfully so. I’d do it, too.
Yes. The Revenuer should not use an electronic devise that can kill when there is another way. The Billy club does not kill.
REASONS MOST POSTERS SAY COP WAS WRONG
Can’t you read? Most posters say the Revenuer was wrong is that he abused his position
“Would we be better served if there were no police?”
Did I say that? No, you are projecting.
“I don’t think Officer Cassidy expected to get shot in the head as he walked into the store.”
Obviously a tragedy for him and his family. What does this have to do with this traffic stop? Should police taser, clubm or shoot everyone they detain or come in contact with just in case?
“Now, as for my take on what happened with this stop- I think the cop could have handled the matter a whole heck of a lot better. Tasing the driver was extreme and, at the point it occured, unnecessary.”
Agreed
“Still, I don’t hold much sympathy for the driver. While it is obvious that the mean streets of Utah are a lot different than Philly,”
The few times I’ve been stopped I’ve always been respectful. The only time I haven’t been completely respectful was when it took the local police 5 tries to get a good finger print for my CCW license. Keep in mind thats 4 separate trips to the Sheriffs office. The driver was out of line but I also get perturbed when I encounter speed traps. IMO, thats what this sounds like.
“The cop doesn’t know me from Adam or from a donut store robber for that matter.”
The cop should be above it all. There are numerous other examples where the drivers are even worse than this guy and yet the cop handled it well. From my point of view he let his ego cloud his judgement and he allowed the situation to escalate. Just because tazers exist doesn’t mean they are the proper tool for every situation.
Cops are not our betters, and the action of Philadelphia criminals are irrelevant to innocent people.
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