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Backing Thompson: Human Life and Political Reality
National Public Radio (NPR) ^ | November 14, 2007 | Ron Elving

Posted on 11/14/2007 12:28:14 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The right to life is not an either/or matter. Fred Thompson is not pro-life and judging from the National Right to Life Committee’s endorsement of him, neither are they.

If the NRLC were pro-life, they would have endorsed Brownback (prior to his withdrawal) or Tancredo or Hunter.

Who are these people that determine “electability”? Give me a break. For decades the National Right to Life Committee has been telling everyone that the country isn’t ready to outlaw abortion. Hmmmm, how would they know? They’ve never tried. Yet if they directed every single one of their state chapters to work for legal declaration of personhood from fertilization-natural death, that would trump Roe. So we have to do it without them in addition to demanding a real pro-life platform and candidate from the RNC. Tell the RNC your $$$ depends on it.


21 posted on 11/14/2007 9:39:27 PM PST by Quiet Man Jr.
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To: Quiet Man Jr.

Those sour grapes will make some fine wine. Just put them in a container with some sugar and wait...


22 posted on 11/14/2007 10:22:09 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: Quiet Man Jr.

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe against allowing coverage of abortion under the Federal employees’ health insurance policies in cases where it is medically necessary - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=1&vote=00371

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe (and against almost every moderate republican in the senate) against an amendment “to express the sense of Congress in support of the Supreme Court’s decision in Roe v. Wade” - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00337

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe against killing an amendment to prohibit the expenditure of certain appropriated funds for the distribution or provision of, or the provision of a prescription for, postcoital emergency contraception - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=2&vote=00169

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe “to provide for certain disclosures and limitations with respect to the transference of human fetal tissue” - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00338

One of only 17 senators (including Helms, Gramm and Sessions) to vote against the Schumer amendment “to ensure that debts incurred as a result of clinic violence are nondischargeable.- http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=2&vote=00002

One of only 24 senators (including Helms and Inhofe) to vote for requiring that the Congressional-Executive Commission monitor the cooperation of the People’s Republic of China with respect to POW/MIA issues, improvement in the areas of forced abortions, slave labor, and organ harvesting, and for other purposes - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=2&vote=00249

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe (and against almost every moderate republican senator) against killing an amendment to prohibit the use of funds the pay for an abortion or to pay for the administrative expenses in connection with certain health plans that provide coverage for abortions - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00197

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe against Tommy Daschle’s “moderate” amendment that banned late-term abortions but affirmed Roe v. Wade - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=105&session=1&vote=00070

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe against cloture for Henry Foster, surgeon general (and abortionist) - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=1&vote=00273

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe against striking the limitation on the coverage of abortions - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=105&session=1&vote=00129

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe against a joint resolution that stated limitations of abortion coverage was negatively affecting population planning programs - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=105&session=1&vote=00013

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe to prohibit the restriction of certain types of medical communications between a health care provider and a patient (i.e., abortion counseling) - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00283

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe against an amendment “to clarify the application of certain provisions with respect to abortions where necessary to preserve the life or health of the woman” - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=1&vote=00593

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe to delete language concerning certification of population programs - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00035

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe to amend title 18, United States Code, to ban partial-birth abortions - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=105&session=2&vote=00277

Voted with Helms, Santorum and Inhofe to to amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit the use of somatic cell nuclear transfer technology for purposes of human cloning - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=105&session=2&vote=00010

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe to prohibit taxpayer funding for abortions covered by the Federal Employee Health Benefit Program - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=1&vote=00370

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe against repealing the restiction on use of Department of Defense facilities for abortions - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=105&session=2&vote=00176

Again voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe to to amend title 18, United States Code, to ban partial birth abortions - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00340

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe against killing an amendment expressing “the sense of Congress concerning Roe v. Wade and partial birth abortion bans” - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00334

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe (and almost all other senators) “to protect infants who are born alive” - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00208

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe to kill a measure to repeal the restriction on use of the Department of Defense facilities for privately funded abortions - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00148

Voted with Helms, Thurmon, Santorum and Inhofe for a motion to ban partial birth abortions. (motion to table the motion to reconsider) - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00333

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe to express the sense of Congress regarding forced abortions in the People’s Republic of China - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=2&vote=00243

Voted with Helms, Thurmond and Santorum to kill an amendment to repeal the restriction on the use of Department of Defense facilities for privately funded abortions - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=2&vote=00134

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe to proceed on a bill to ban partial birth abortions - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00332

Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe against Specter’s amendment “to protect the reproductive rights of Federal women prisoners” - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=1&vote=00478

Again, voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe to kill an amendment repealing the restriction on use of Department of Defense facilities for abortions - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=2&vote=00163

Again voted against repealing the restriction on use of Department of Defense facilities for abortions - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=105&session=1&vote=00167

Again, voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe to prohibit the use of funds the pay for an abortion or to pay for the administrative expenses in connection with certain health plans that provide coverage for abortions - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=105&session=1&vote=00190

Voted with only 37 other senators (including Helms, Santorum and Inhofe) to prohibit the use of funds for research that utilizes human fetal tissue, cells, or organs that are obtained from a living or dead embryo or fetus during or after an induced abortion - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=105&session=1&vote=00215


23 posted on 11/15/2007 12:08:27 AM PST by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: Politicalmom

Politcalmom wrote: “Voted with Helms, Thurmond, Santorum and Inhofe against allowing coverage of abortion under the Federal employees’ health insurance policies in cases where it is medically necessary - http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=104&session=1&vote=00371"; along with Thompson’s entire record, I guess. But, Politcalmom, what does that have to do with his latest campaign promises—or threats?

He’s against the RNC’s pro-life platform. That says it all.


24 posted on 11/15/2007 5:09:52 PM PST by Quiet Man Jr.
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To: Quiet Man Jr.

That’s a lie.

He says he will support the platform. He thinks that overturning Roe V Wade is the best way to go, rather than
trying for an unpassable amendment.

Millions of us agree.


25 posted on 11/15/2007 6:53:11 PM PST by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: Politicalmom

“That’s a lie.
He says he will support the platform. He thinks that overturning Roe V Wade is the best way to go, rather than
trying for an unpassable amendment.
Millions of us agree.”

Sadly, it isn’t a lie. Hear for yourself from Fred’s own mouth: http://hotair.com/archives/2007/11/04/video-fred-thompson-on-mtp-says-he-doesnt-support-the-human-life-amendment/?print=1

Of course no amendment will pass unless we try. Therefore, the good pro-lifers in Colorado are trying, despite the millions of naysayers you purportedly represent :-)


26 posted on 11/16/2007 4:27:56 PM PST by Quiet Man Jr.
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To: Bobbisox

The “Equal Rights Amendment” had nothing at all to do with abortion, beyond the fact that pro-abortion advocates could have used it to strengthen their ability to continue to kill thousands of American babies every day.

The Amendment that is germane to this discussion is called the “Human Life Amendment.”


27 posted on 11/16/2007 4:34:20 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Politicalmom
That’s a lie. He says he will support the platform. He thinks that overturning Roe V Wade is the best way to go, rather than trying for an unpassable amendment. Millions of us agree.

The platform doesn't just call for a Human Life Amendment. It also recognizes the personhood of the unborn, and their protection by the Fourteenth Amendment. It has since 1984.

This is 100% incompatible with the claim that states can possibly decide the abortion question.

In other words, you can't support the platform while calling for states' rights to trump unalienable rights. The two things are mutually exclusive.

Which means that Thompson, McCain, Romney, Giuliani, Huckabee and Paul do not support the Reagan pro-life platform.

And that leaves Hunter, Tancredo and Keyes who do.

28 posted on 11/16/2007 4:40:13 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Quiet Man Jr.

Great posts. Right on the mark.


29 posted on 11/16/2007 4:40:55 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Quiet Man Jr.

Except for the fact that you neglected Alan Keyes as the most solid pro-life choice of all.

He was the only candidate standing with our friends in CO who are working for the Personhood Amendment. Did you notice?


30 posted on 11/16/2007 4:44:01 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Our God-given rights, and those of our posterity, are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: EternalVigilance

“Except for the fact that you neglected Alan Keyes as the most solid pro-life choice of all.

He was the only candidate standing with our friends in CO who are working for the Personhood Amendment. Did you notice?”

Indeed I did, EV. Sorry, I forgot about that.


31 posted on 11/16/2007 5:03:11 PM PST by Quiet Man Jr.
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