Posted on 11/09/2007 3:17:09 AM PST by cbkaty
And maybe those penumbras and emanations are bullshit.
Yep, that's the problem with your stance.
So we are looking at banning a product which results in about 2-3 deaths per day out of 300 million that are pure accident. Ladders and stairs probably accout for as many accidental deaths as guns do.
Starve.
Without the "militia" clause, Clinton's claim about the right to keep and bear arms for "hunting and sporting purposes" might have some plausibility.
Willful ignorance.
Actually the DC council wrote it. That itself may be a Constitutional violation, since the Constitution states:
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;
However Congress gets a chance to review Acts of the Council before they become law..so maybe not.
We’ve tried ignoring him.
Problem is, he posts that drivel practically every time any “what does the 2nd Amendment mean?” question comes up, starts an argument with the unaware, and presents a just-coherent-enough & just-impressive-enough premise that some people start to buy it.
It’s like leftists: much as we would like to ignore them in the hopes they’ll go away, they won’t go away, and without opposition will make society much worse.
Sometimes, people just need to be removed from a society.
Exactly. A primary reason I would argue with him was to hone my own arguments. I knew he would NEVER admit being wrong, but over time I got pretty good at nailing him down - at which point he would simply switch arguments or jump to another thread.
Wrong. States have powers. States do not have rights. People have rights. The 2nd Amendment says nothing about "rights of a state"; it DOES say that states benefit from having a well-regulated militia, which is best and most easily achieved by protecting the rights of the people to keep and bear arms uninfringed.
The Constitution delegates to the states the power of appointing officers and conducting training & discipline; if the militia members (anyone able to fight) do not have weapons, that power is moot.
We tried that. Doesn’t work. Ignoring some people doesn’t make them go away.
Some evidence is so obvious that it need not (or should not) be required by a court.
I'm not sure the Constitution can delegate anything to the States. The Constitution is a grant of a set of enumerated powers to the national government, by the States. They didn't need to delegate to themselves what was theirs to start with.
Ergo, don’t nominate Rudy.
The Congress shall have Power ... To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;Make of that what you will.
Maybe just a matter of semantics, but it comes down the difference between “reserved” and “delegated”. “Reserved” means that the States retained this power for themselves, and exercise it on thier own behalf. “Delegated” means that the power rightly belongs to someone else, and the States are merely allowed to exercise it on someone else’s behalf.
You wrote: If there is a third party condidate there will be a democrat in the White House.
Yes. Probably for four years. Much better than a RINO.
The worst vote I ever cast was for George lyin’ Ryan the Rino Gov. from Illinois. He destroyed the republican party and is now in jail.
As much as I dislike Hillary, I will not vote for Mitt, Rudy or McCain.
Ditto Pataki in NY. Having the automatic support of most Republicans, this RINO managed to pass the most oppressive gun laws since the Sullivan Act (registering handguns) - something that hardcore leftist Cuomo couldn’t do despite 12 years as governor.
Observe too that faced with a Republican-controlled Congress, Bill Clinton didn’t get much done at all.
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