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Thompson talks of daughter who died
Yahoo News / AP ^ | 10/22/2007 | LIBBY QUAID, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 10/22/2007 4:12:11 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

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To: Sun

T’wit just received a posthumus (sp) award. Developing... Yes, I miss his medical and legal expertise. He was a walking encyclopedia.


141 posted on 10/22/2007 9:45:10 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER & ?????????)
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To: All; 668 - Neighbor of the Beast; vetsvette

FYI:

Here are the positions of Rudy, Mitt, John, Mike, Duncan and Sam:

Huckabee, on governmental intervention in the Terri Schiavo case:
“I had no problem with the state getting involved because it’s one of their citizens. but I wasn’t sure how the federal government had a role in all that.”’

http://pushingrope.blogspot.com/2007/05/mike-huckabee-on-terri-schiavo.html


And from the first debate:

MR. MATTHEWS: Okay.
Let me ask you a question which has grabbed a lot of Americans personally, the Terri Schaivo case. Again, it was a question of whether the United States — the U.S. Congress should have intervened and passed a law to advise the appellate court whether to act or not in this case, the district court it was. Terri Schaivo, should Congress have acted or let the family make the decision, the husband?

MR. ROMNEY: I think we should generally let the family make a decision of this nature. In the case —

MR. MATTHEWS: The husband should have decided?

MR. ROMNEY: Generally we should make that decision.
In the case here, the courts decided that — what they thought was the right thing to do, and then I think Jeb Bush and the Florida legislature did the right thing by saying we’ve got a concern. They looked over the shoulder of the court. But I think the decision of Congress to get involved was a mistake.

MR. MATTHEWS: Okay.

MR. ROMNEY: I think that Congress’s job is to make sure that laws are respecting the sanctity of life. But to actually adjudicate a case like this, better done at the state level by the governor, the legislature and the court.

MR. MATTHEWS: Senator Brownback, should Congress have gotten involved in that personal case?

SEN. BROWNBACK: Yes, it should have, and it gave her the right and the family the right to take that appeal to the court. That’s what the Congress did.

And her life is sacred. Even if it’s in that difficult moment that she’s in at that point in time, that life is sacred. And we should stand for life in all its circumstances.

MR. MATTHEWS: Senator McCain, was Congress right in intervening in that case?

SEN. MCCAIN: It was a very, very difficult issue. All of us were deeply moved by the pictures and the depiction of this terrible, tragic case. In retrospect, we should have taken some more time, looked at it more carefully, and probably reacted to hastily.

MR. MATTHEWS: Mayor Giuliani, was that a good thing for Congress to do, to get involved that weekend?

MR. GIULIANI: The family was in dispute. That’s what we have courts for. And the better place to decide that in a much more — I think in a much fairer and even in a deeper way is in front of a court.

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MR. MATTHEWS: Okay. Congressman, Bill Clinton back home.

REP. HUNTER: You know, Bill Clinton cut the U.S. Army by almost 50 percent. In this war against terror, he’s the wrong guy to have in there.

==>And incidentally, on the Schiavo case, you know Ronald Reagan said on the question of life, when there’s a question, error on the side of life. I think Congress did the right thing.”

http://www.iht.com/bin/print.php?id=5562636

Duncan Hunter could have just ignored the question about Terri, because he wasn’t asked about it, but he proudly showed the country that he supported Congress decision to help Terri, even though he had to add it while answering an entirely different question.


142 posted on 10/22/2007 9:51:55 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: originalbuckeye
My problem with the Schaivo case was that Michael Schaivo won a judgment for her care after convincing a judge (or jury?) that she wanted to live. Then when the money ran out he decided that she really, really had wanted to die.

He didn't wait for the money to run out before deciding she should die. In a 1993 deposition shortly after winning the money, he admitted to having already melted Terri's wedding rings to make some jewelry for himself. That's not an action any husband I know of would take unless he knew she wouldn't be needing them.

143 posted on 10/22/2007 9:52:55 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: biff

“What I did not like about the Shiavo case is how they killed her by starving her. We do that to even our pets and we end up in jail for cruelty.”

For sure. This country seems to be controlled by evil at times.


144 posted on 10/22/2007 9:55:03 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: oldenuff2no
I have read all the factual data that I can find on this case.

Can you offer any legitimate and logical reason for the order forbidding any effort at oral feeding/hydration? What possible harm could it have done? The worst that could happen would be that Terri would die anyway.

145 posted on 10/22/2007 9:59:34 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: floriduh voter

“T’wit just received a posthumus (sp) award. Developing... Yes, I miss his medical and legal expertise. He was a walking encyclopedia.”

Please keep me posted!


146 posted on 10/22/2007 10:14:29 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Swordfished

I would have to agree...I wish the law had been written differently and that parents could have taken over for the care of their daughter. The fact that nothing has changed since then leads me to believe that all the posturing by the pols was just that and nothing more.
Fred’s got it right, it’s the law that is wrong.


147 posted on 10/22/2007 10:14:56 PM PDT by FlashBack (Need Some FReep Help: Vote for Gene Hinders at the www.racingjunk.com Contest)
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To: FlashBack
Let me add: The law needs to be changed...as long as there is family that is loving and capable of caring for we should err on the side of life.
148 posted on 10/22/2007 10:18:29 PM PDT by FlashBack (Need Some FReep Help: Vote for Gene Hinders at the www.racingjunk.com Contest)
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To: airborne

Me too, Grin


149 posted on 10/22/2007 10:31:10 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Mom MD
There is a huge difference between withdrawing mechanical ventilation and iv therapies to keep the blood pressure up and withholding food and water.

I was considering *all* methods of ending my own life, but there were not too any that I could carry out on my own without help.

I still remember asking myself, exactly how does a quadriplegic commit suicide.

Starvation was not an option, because they would just stick a needle in my arm...

I would have taken that "out", if it had been offered.
150 posted on 10/22/2007 10:44:28 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: originalbuckeye
I am not judging people who have made their wishes known.

I Agree, but after 15 years, I would have wanted to have been gone for 14.5 years. Plus, who is going to pay for this stuff, the last thing I would want is for me, the bread winner to eat everything I have worked so hard to build so my wife and kids are left destitute, just pull my plug please.
151 posted on 10/22/2007 10:49:10 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: iowamark
it was caused by dehydration and starvation, the withholding of water and nutrition.

I understand, but I would have wanted that done 14.5 years earlier, not waiting around for 15 years.
152 posted on 10/22/2007 10:50:44 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser

It’s not up to you; it should be God’s decision.


153 posted on 10/22/2007 11:09:59 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Sun
It’s not up to you; it should be God’s decision.

Yep, that's the attitude I ran into back then too.

look, just what exactly is there about a head sucking up all the resources in my entire family, and making sure my Mom and Dad never really get to retire (I have three brothers and three sisters who would have been subjugated to my needs, I didn't want that.

Death by boredom is a particularly lingering death that I would not wish on anyone.

it's still mostly a free country, you choose whatever you wish, I will not interfere, all I wish is the same of you.
154 posted on 10/22/2007 11:59:29 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast; Calpernia; floriduh voter
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


155 posted on 10/23/2007 1:31:07 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: nmh

He was already living with his next wife, had one or tow kids with her and Terri was a problem. She had to go. He used up the money on getting her murdered legally. There was no reason to murder her. He could have divorced her. Her parents were more than willing to care for Terri. Only a sick f could believe that murdering a human being by starving her to death is okay.

I agree with what you say here. I just for the life of me cannot understand why he wanted her dead when the parents would have taken care of her. He would not have been responsible for anything. He easily could have gone on with his life as he already was doing. There must be so much more to the story that we don’t know because it does not make sense especially on the part of the husband. The only possible thought could be that he did not want her awake ever because perhaps she could incriminate him someway. I see no other reason.


156 posted on 10/23/2007 3:06:04 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Sun

Every elected officical in America, including the Governor of Florida, and the President of the United States, takes an oath to protect and defend the Constitution.

Both the Constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of Florida contain provisions protecting the life of the innocent.

These provisions are quite explicit.

Thompson is a disaster.


157 posted on 10/23/2007 4:39:19 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like this, who needs Democrats?)
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To: floriduh voter

You know what, floriduuuuuh (what an appropriate name), I wasn’t talking specifically about Terri but was making a reference to my own daughter (and to whatever Thompson said about his). I had a decision to make about my precious daughter and it’s none of your damn business or the business of any of the other Terri crusaders. I wouldn’t give a flying fig what you think about it.

You can spend the rest of your life mourning for Terri, which was certainly a very sad situation, but Mr. Thompson and I have more immediate sorrows to deal with.


158 posted on 10/23/2007 4:40:09 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: oldenuff2no
The truth was sad enough but it was a private personal decision of her husband. Terri had cut the apron strings when she married...

Michael Schiavo gave up any legitimate claim to marital decision making when he shacked up with another woman and had two children with her.

159 posted on 10/23/2007 7:01:58 AM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops by accusing them of war crimes.)
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To: snippy_about_it
Unless you’ve experienced great family suffering and the stress it brings to bear on the family unit, you have no idea and really shouldn’t judge...

While I can sympathize with the process it sounds like you lived through, sympathy doesn't prevent me from pointing out that your position is nonsense.

160 posted on 10/23/2007 7:04:50 AM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops by accusing them of war crimes.)
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