Posted on 10/20/2007 10:21:39 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
What conservative knows details of Mayor Dinkins term? Much less touts Dinkins in front of Giuliani?
Ol' Sparky. So you're the Hillary worker on the thread. How much does Soros pay anyway? How dumb of me not to have guessed right off.
Host Alan Colmes:
"Now, Roe versus -- now, you are pro-choice. How important is it to you as a pro-choice Republican to have a pro-choice on the court as someone...
Giuliani:"That is not the critical factor. And what's important to me is to have a very intelligent, very honest, very good lawyer on the court. And [John Roberts] fits that category, in the same way Justice Ginsburg fit that category. I mean, she was -- she maybe came at it from a very different political background, very qualified lawyer, very smart person. Lots of Republicans supported her. I expect, and listening to Senator Nelson, I expect that John Roberts will get support from a lot of Democrats."
“But it’s a fact that if conservatives have any hope of getting any issue they want, such as judges, then they’ll support the Republican party and no other.”
Nope. Not when they go liberal on me. You folks nominate that profane JOKE from New York City and you are not so politely asking social conservatives to leave.
Don’t get pissy at the results of your folly.
The votes fall where they will. I haven't picked a candidate, but if people like you leave, don't get pissy about the resulting Hillary presidency. It will be your decision to go.
“It will be your decision to go.”
To every action, a reaction.
It's called doing a Google search. Try it some time.
But, those are facts -- that crime had begun to drop under Dinkins before Giuliani took office.
And, one of the FEW conservative things Giuliani allegedly did was clean up crime in NY and he didn't even do that.
Take that away from him and all one is left with is a liberal record.
Never let facts get in the way of worshiping at the altar of the Republican party, though.
Hey Grunthor. You and Ol' Sparky working a tag team here?
Don't take your "hyperbole post police" role so seriously. Obviously, any direct parallel you perceive was deliberate exaggeration. But that doesn't mean there wasn't a indirect degree of a parallel, for you demean the millions of tragedies of the preborn dying at the hands of our political leaders--the protectors & partial funders of the abortion industry.
Rudy wasn't yet in power when a pre-Roe NY state opened the door wide open for abortion; but he saw fit to back the status quo when he was power (as has Hillary)...and frankly, the # of NY-related abortions makes 9/11 look like kid's play.
The moment you start ignoring that either way there are millions of victims and a lot more via the abortion industry--which Giuliani has personally and politically supported, then you don't even recognize that there is at least something to argue about.
BTW, which state has perenially been in the top 2 or 3 every year in abortions? (That's right, Hillary & Rudy's state)
To do a Google search you've got to know there's a there there.
So what did you search on? The Democrat talking points against a Giuliani campaign? A conservative might oppose Giuliani, but would never use talking points that present Dinkins as superior to Rudy. That was a Democrat list.
No, you knew what you were looking for because you had seen the Dem talking points against Giuliani.
Kept us going all afternoon Ol' Sparky.... that was fun.
How well does Soro's pay anyway?
My statement is a question of fact. First of all I am speaking about a hypothetical match-up in the general election and am not talking about the primary. You do not have to vote for an evil vs. evil confrontation. however, if the nominee is not to your liking then you are faced with a choice.
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What of the following facts do you disagree.
1. If Hillary is the Democratic nominee she will be facing the Republican nominee.
2. What choices do you have? They are as follows:
a. Vote for Hillary - I assume this is always a 0% chance.
If it is your choice then I have nothing to say to you.
b. Vote for the Republican (or more importantly for some vote against Hillary) - My contention is that any other choice helps Hillary out.
c. Sit out the election - this in itself is a choice.
Conservatives who opt for this choice has the effect of diminishing the Republican vote. This by definition is a decision that helps Hillary out.
d. Vote 3rd party - Unless a groundswell of support and very unusual circumstances, this will not happen. Perot was initially a realistic possibility until he showed he was a nutcase. For 2008, a conservative alternative for 3rd party has a 0% chance and is effectively the same as electing Hillary.
Part "1" I disagee with, Hillary might face another democrat if Rudy is elected. You knew this and again did not put that posibility in for your own selfish reasons. This takes us back to my previous post.. Which I stand by... evil vs. evil.. Again I go back to Biblical reasons here not to vote for evil even if it could possible perchance lead to some good in the future.
If it came down to Rudy vs. Hillary right now, I would vote the write-in choise (which you don't list)... Duncan Hunter would probable be my write-in choise, but I would consider other good candidates at the time of course. I have seen little of other third party's that I like at the moment, and the Constitutional party has not produced a person that I have heard of. If Duncan Hunter endorsed Rudy, I would probable vote Roy Moore in the write-in position.
Jim Robinson has just posted a thread that pretty much sums up my feeling about this possible evil vs. evil matchup..
“Hey Grunthor. You and Ol’ Sparky working a tag team here?”
You mean there are more of us than of you?
Which only proves why the entire comparison was faulty. OTOH a political party, like a church, that doesn't stand for anything will wind up tolerating anything.
The unpopular truth here is that there will be a lot of social conservatives that will stay home or vote third party if a pro-abortion pro-gay candidate is the GOP standard-bearer. You can choose not to believe it but it will happen. Pro-lifers are more loyal to their issue than they are to the party. For that matter, so are pro-gun rights people, another issue on which Rudy is on the wrong side of his party.
You can wag your finger all you want and blame them for electing Hillary by default but, I assure you, that argument will fall on deaf ears. No need to waste your breath.
No president, Democrat or Republican, can seriously affect the abortion argument. They will eventually change things by judges, but I would trust Giuliani to support the Constitution over any pro-abortion stand. Even if Roe is overturned, many, if not most states will keep abortion legal. Likewise, he can't do much to change gun laws. Even liberals are finally discovering the 2nd amendment exists, even if they don't like it.
I suppose I should never underestimate the stupidity of conservatives.
And here I thought the biggest dumb thing they did was attack evolution.
You're not thinking rationally. Hillary isn't going to become dictator.
If she tried either of those things, Republicans would filibuster both attempts. I would guess the majority in Congress would vote against anything like that before a filibuster was needed.
I suppose I should never underestimate the stupidity of conservatives.
And here I thought the biggest dumb thing they did was attack evolution.
The stupidity of conservatives?
They?
And you have the unmittigated GAUL to sit on this thread and accuse others of being liberal trolls?
If “those conservatives” are “stupid” in your eyes, what are you? You ARE aware are you not that this is a CONSERVATIVE forum, NOT a moderate nor a Republican one.
Oh, and hey, since you are the "hyperbole post police monitor," may I suggest you rush right on over to this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1914023/posts
Why? Well, Liz has posted the following today:
"Hey Rooty, nice job fooling the dumb Christians. Remember the plan---the believers get dumped once you got their votes and assume office."
Go, ahead, rush right on over...(Look for the nasty red picture of a Satanic-like entity)
Then, to be consistent, you can post the following: You demean the tragedy wrought upon Adam & Eve & the billions that physically and spiritually have died at the hands of demonic dictators. The moment you start comparing anyone in US politics to Lucipher, you've lost the argument. The comparison is just plain stupid.
It is obvious that you are not from New York.
The Dinkins administration was miserable. By far the worst in my lifetime. That was the main reason that a Republican could win the mayoral election in NY. Rudy came in and turned the city around. The difference was demonstrable. By the way, Rudy’s criticisms did not come from conservatives.
We have a majority conservative nation. Just pointing out the liberal views of Giuliani.
No Giuliani, NO PROBLEM
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