Posted on 10/20/2007 10:21:39 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
“Which is intimidation, that if we don’t join with you and others against Rudy that we’ll be isolated away from some FR clique. I’m not buying it.”
I am not concerned with what you buy. I do not care who or what you join with. I believe that Trudy will be the death knell of the Republican Party.
If the conservatives in this party back Trudy, what reason does the party then have to EVER run another conservative for POTUS? We will have just PROVEN to them that they only have be slightly less disgustingly socialist than the Dhims in order to get our support.
I guess that I am just not enough of a whore to go along with that.
How do you know you're not reading from a Hillary supporter on this thread attempting to sow discontent in the conservative camp?
[Rudy] will not be getting any support from me.
And Hillary will thank you for that if Rudy is the nominee.
Hey! Maybe you are the Hillary supporter!
There you are, a nice screen name like "MamaB". How can anyone be but sympathetic toward you. You might stick around here and quietly talk about how you just can't bring yourself to support Rudy till next November.
Now I'll bet you'll be all offended. Which is exactly what a real Hillary supporter would feign.
It's also called cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Name one of those reasons. Other than the war on terror (which ALL Republican candidates except Ron Paul would effectively fight), the man is liberal on virtually every other issue. He completely lacks any character and can't be trusted.
And, any split in the party is a result of those not voting for a nominee acceptable to all factions of the party. But, I really don't care whose fault you think that would be. You and other liberal Republican types are going to learn the lesson that party must stand for conservatism across the board or it has no chance of winning Presidential elections or being a majority party again.
You have already made up your mind but you think others do not have the same right.
Christianity is NOT about inclusiveness. To paraphrase:
“Many are called, but few are chosen.”
“Narrow is the way to life,but broad is the way to destruction.”
“No man comes to the Father, but by Me.”
While Jesus,as God in the flesh, died one time as a sacrifice for all men to atone for sin, each man must choose to repent and to follow Him.
Many will call Him “Lord, Lord”, but He will say” Depart from Me,I never knew you.”
So while the offer for forgiveness is open to all, many will refuse to take it,content to remain the master of their own life and to remain unmoved by the sacrifice made on their behalf.
Each man has a free will—to accept or reject.
It isn’t kumbaya or there are not many ways to God.
There is one way—through Jesus Christ.
He said so Himself.
He also said to beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing—which is what Rudy is.
If you're sincere, what it is going to take is a nominee that can unify and rally the base. Giuliani can't do that. So, I would expect you to be working hard to assure someone than Giuliani is the nominee.
I never said I agreed with Rudy. Only that I know that he's far better than Hillary on every count.
And besides that, no doubt on any quote from him on an issue he was talking to the NY press and had to sound as leftist as he could. He's a politician, and no one in the running for President is immune from playing politics.
So, have you read my accusation that you might be the closet Hillary supporter? I'm sure you'll deny it, but I'm curious about how you will word it.
The bottom line is there's almost no way anyone here could know for sure, one way or another.
All I know is that Hillary will no doubt have people on FR quietly talking down Rudy. I just wonder who it is.
If you take out the equation of supporting evil to supposeable fight evil, you can frame the question like that. Most reasonable people see right through that unfortunately for Rudy.
Right now Rudy Giuliani is the new Bob Dole.
The GOP will stop a third party but they will not stop the effect.
You have the post of the thread, exit.. thank you..
We know. That's why we'd rather have Hillary in the White House than Giuliani. The former is one step back but allows the realistic possibility of a conservative revolution. The latter turns both parties into left-of-center parties and offers only steps backward and advancement of liberalism.
Because the Media will deliver the centrists, while Rudy loses a significant chunk of the base - either from not voting, or not 'campaigning' to get more votes when talking to their friends.
Arnold has taught some of us a hard lesson (although I didn't vote for him, glad to say). If Rudy is the nominee, there will be no one for conservatives to get excited about. If he is elected, we'll get from him what Arnold has given California.
No thanks.
I saw that ugly term mentioned earlier here, and I just responded to your reference to the hatred and VITRIOL used on this thread (which you did refer to) Please see post #83.
Now I'm offended.
I've said many times on this thread that I don't know who I support for the nomination. You're calling me a liar.
I genuinely don't know who the best candidate is for the job of winning in Nov. '08. Whomever that is, I'm for. The only thing I have made up my mind on is that I'm against the communist Hillary, and I think making a determination to never support Rudy should he get the nomination is self-destructive and stupid.
This is the Giuliani strategy in a nutshell -- get him the nomination before many Republicans and country realize he is a liberal.
http://washingtontimes.com/article/20071020/NATION/110200042/1001
"It looks like they're going to try to survive early, and he's got 16 million bucks in the bank, more than anybody else but [Mitt] Romney, and they'll try to roll through this thing, get to the big states on January 29 and Super Tuesday," said Scott Reed, a former Bob Dole campaign strategist who is not working for any presidential campaign this year. "If he survives that long, then we get into these megastates, where he has high name ID, very high favorables, states where people have not dug down and seen that he's a liberal Republican, and he may have a better chance," Mr. Reed said.
Rudy can't destroy the Republican Party,,,,but as President his core liberal policies, values and principles can!!
Great analogy....lol
you are not paying attention to what people are saying or typing.
A Giuliani Candidate IS ALREADY a defeat for these people. You can not fight perception.
Giuliani wins the primaries and the race is over. The end.
You will get the same thing as 1996, the Bob Dole effect.
The GOP will win or lose not in the general election; The GOP will win or lose the 2008 election IN THE PRIMARIES.
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