Posted on 10/09/2007 7:59:02 AM PDT by Reaganesque
Alan Colmes beat Ann Coulter mercilessly on this issue, and Ann just kept saying (not an exact quote): “Mitt may be a flip-flopper, but so long as he’s flopped my way, and isn’t flipping back, that’s the way I like it”.
If there was a candidate that didn’t flip-flop who had a chance, that would be one thing. But since there isn’t, good conservatives have taken to denying the facts about some candidate’s previous positions just so they can pretend their candidate hasn’t changed.
That does nobody any good.
Dobson doesn’t command my vote, and Ann isn’t always my cup of tea. But if both Dobson and Coulter see something disqualifying about some people, and are open to Mitt, that tells me something.
It’s just a data point, but something all Evangelicals, and all Conservatives, ought to consider. Neither of these two are known for selling their principles.
No...I still don't realise why.
Just explain to them that this gay man broke his marital vows before God and is currently involved in another sin which disqualifies him from being a moral example in an organization that stresses morality.
“Dobson doesnt command my vote, and Ann isnt always my cup of tea. But if both Dobson and Coulter see something disqualifying about some people, and are open to Mitt, that tells me something.”
Mitt is my number two. Number one is Thompson. Rudy can go to hell.
That would be an easier sell if they specifically excluded men who were divorced and living with a new girlfriend.
The Log Cabin Republican ad I just saw on FNC is not going to help Mitt Romney.
Oh, I might vote for Romney in the unlikely event that he gets the GOP nomination. But only then.
Only if you put homosexual relationships on par with heterosexual relationships.
Divorced men who are living with a new girlfriend should not be considered for a position in leadership either.
If people don't like moral standards, then choose a different club to be a part of.
And if that doesn’t help the haters...show them the statistics relative to abuse.
I don’t personally try to rate one relationship over another.
The Bible tells me what is sin, and what is not. It doesn’t tell me that some sins are acceptable, and others are not.
I agree that all should be treated equally. It’s why I always bristled when we fought the “immorality” of gays in the military, but said nothing about service people getting “serviced” by hookers.
Well...The Bible does and a homosexual relationship is sin (immoral by nature) and not equal with a heterosexual relationship.
So you advocate gay Boy Scout leaders and gays in the military?
Which brings up a few questions. Just where does the Giuliani campaign fit into this ad? Did they urge this group to put out the ad? Did they pay them for it? Was it their idea?
I don’t think the ad is going to backfire. I think it was the intent of the Log Cabin Republicans to pay for the ad in order to decrease support for Romney; and it will work. The only probem for the Log Cabin Republicans is that those awayed by the ad are not going to go to Guiliani. They will mostly go to Thompson and some, to others.
BTW, if a gay man chooses to be abstinent in order to not sin, he still would not be allowed to be a scoutmaster. Again, I agree with the restriction, but at that point it is no longer about an act of sin.
BTW, I call you on your selective quoting. It's not nice to dissemble and attempt to deceive your fellow freepers to make a point.
My full quote:
I dont personally try to rate one relationship over another.So when you only quoted my first sentence, and then added your 'Well, the bible does", you were only saying exactly what I said in my quote. Except as I stated, adultery is a sin, and the Bible doesn't distinguish between acceptable and unacceptable sins.The Bible tells me what is sin, and what is not. It doesnt tell me that some sins are acceptable, and others are not.
BTW, not that I adhere to a ranking of sin, but if you did, Adultery is one of the big 10, while Homosexuality is not.
Also, we are all sinners.
Wrong.
According to Romans 1:24 and 26, abstinence doesn't cut it either because homosexual desires are sinful and homosexual lusts are shameful.
Which is why I point out that all of us are sinners. Because lusting after another woman is also a sin.
The statement from Romney's camp also points out that the Log Cabin Republicans are playing favorites for his opponent, Mayor Rudy Giuliani (or I guess it could be McCain or Fred since they don't support the Federal Marriage Amendment either):
This personal, negative attack was launched and paid for by a group recognized as having Mayor Giuliani as their favorite candidate," Madden said. "Governor Romney supports a federal marriage amendment and so it makes sense that a national gay rights group would attack him. The advertisement misrepresents Governor Romneys courage to admit that he had been wrong on this issue and the fact that he is proud of his strong record of defending the sanctity of life.
The gay Republicans attack against Romney could turn out to be a positive for the candidate, according to speculation by some political pundits. A New York Times blog post by Jim Rutenerg theorized that "even those conservatives who will buy into the flip-flop claim may take heart that he has 'flip flopped' to their way of seeing things."
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