Posted on 09/23/2007 7:43:27 PM PDT by Graybeard58
that is why the degree to which these kids are put is schools with other kids should be determined by behavior not diagnosis, as a parent if another child hurts one of my children I don’t really care if it is because they were autistic or if they are a criminal punk, I just don’t want it to happen, if autistic children or children with any other problems can go to school and function at an appropriate level that is great, if they can’t they belong somewhere else
Where they put him is up to his counselor and his parents but if he is out of control he can not be around other kids in a normal school environment.
The first priority of every school and every member of the staff is the safety of each and every student and staff member. Without a safe environment there will be very little teaching or learning taking place.
I always love the uneducated blanket response.
Where did you get that?
“There is a difference, Kantian, between politcal correctness and common courtesy”
Not to mention common decency.
Some of the remarks I’ve seen here would be the equivalent of me saying to the parents of a cancer patient “I’m sorry you’re child has cancer, but that’s not my problem, and since nobody in my family has ever had cancer, well I wish all cancer research funding were cut off.”
There’s no law against being a jerk tho, and i think most of ther jerkier posters do it for shock value.
First in MA and now in NH.
Holy &&%^, I had no idea. After all of the medical professional looks at our son you were the one to diagnose him. What a jackass.
I agree. And it is true, there’s much to gain from such involvement.
Many years ago I had a friend who was afflicted with Cerebral Palsy. He wanted to learn to swim and I was a certified WSI at the time so, over the course of little more than a semester, we tried to teach him to swim. He never was able to actually swim, but we had a great deal of fun and he did overcome his fear of water enough so that he could wear a life-vest and float... and smile from ear to ear. I think, seeing that smile, I got the best out of that deal. But the deal was voluntary and not one imposed by the Government.
The motivation for such compassionate and altruistic behavior should be founded upon a moral framework constructed by a child’s parents - not upon socialist government mandates.
Uneducated?
I happen to be a Master Teacher smartass.
People like you get wrapped up in the emotion of the situation .
The laptops and equipment you referred to represent a TINY fraction of the costs of special education.
The programs don’t work. It makes parents and some addled-headed teachers/administrators feel all fuzzy - but it’s a charade.
I’ll go toe to toe with you anytime pal, and we’ll see who’s uneducated and whose operating on emotion.
I guess it depends on what subject you teach. My 13 year old is in a life skills class. As for the ADA, if it weren’t for that, I can promise you no disabled kid would ever get to go to school. Lots of disabled people were treated in some pretty
barbaric ways as little as 30 years ago. So I’m going to have to call BS on the ADA being a bad law.
Oh, my bad, oops. Sorry. I meant criminally charged and mixed that up with another conversation off line.
Kantianburke, what about you?
Outbursts, what about you?
Irrational behavior, what about you?
To much self esteem, what about you?
Messed up, what about you?
I think you are normal ,but most normal people should know better than to throw stones. I really don’t think you want to be judged as you have judged others.
That teacher's aide could have been providing intellectual sustenance to the other children in the classroom if it weren’t for the “special” one that was assaulting her - and in the room by government mandate
I’d say that those “rights” don’t exist.
There’s a lot of heat, but little light on this thread.
Let me be clear. It’s not that special needs children are are not wanted or loved or treated with compassion.
The problem is that you can’t do it all in one classroom. Autism is only ONE of the legitimate disabilities showing up in mainstream classrooms. (There are also plenty of fake disabilities that present plenty of administrative, disciplinary, and educational challenges - subject for another thread.)
ANALOGY
With all of these kids, it’s like trying to play football, soccer, and lacrosse on the same field and parents want their kid to score! The coach (teacher) is saying “This is not working!” and is labeled as uncaring and/or incompetent (or “uneducated” as some emotional guy just did).
Meanwhile, the parents of a truly talented quarterback are frustrated because their kid isn’t getting the best possible coaching.
I don’t see much change in the near future. Whenever legislatures even broach the issue, the activists bring in the wheelchairs and the weeping parents as props in a disgusting appeal to emotion.
I believe that there are solutions to this problem, but they will cost money. These kids need the best possible education and the tools to become as independent and productive as possible - but that’s not going to happen in the “typical” mainstream classroom.
Because the ADA resulted in some positive outcomes does not make it a good law. The unintended negatives outweigh the positives.
For one, it’s led to an explosion of “disabilities” in the pursuit of expensive, specialized services - now demanded as “rights.”
It's very obvious they don't give a damn about the teacher's aid.
Ask yourself how you would like to have this little charmer in your child's class. What if the little charmer went for your child's eyes instead of the teacher's aid.
Shoe pinches when on the other foot, no?
“I believe that there are solutions to this problem, but they will cost money. These kids need the best possible education and the tools to become as independent and productive as possible - but that’s not going to happen in the “typical” mainstream classroom.”
I don’t disagree with what you wrote. I think if a child can’t act appropriately in a normal class then inclusion shouldn’t be an option, but the ADA is why special ed gets funded, and why there are more special kids getting an education. I remember when special ed was just a big room where the kids spent all day separated and out of sight.
As the parent of an autistic kid, I think it would be a waste of everyones time to try to include my son, so I’d much rather he remain in life skills.
"On Wednesday the family went to the county courthouse, where an inquiry was held and it was decided the criminal case against Nathan will indeed move forward."
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