The People Must Demand The Fair Tax

GOPUSA ^ | August 28, 2007 | By Doug Patton

[lucysmom]

Employing social psychology to convince and encourage is not ‘scary’ nor demeanng.

Why would social psychology need to be used to convince and encouraged women to do what Hostage claims they already want to do?

Perhaps he knows what women want better than the women, themselves.

[lucysmom]

Why is the prebate necessary if prices remain the same and people have the same amount of money to spend?

To subsidize the necessary child baring that takes women out of the work force.

[groanup]

Why is the prebate necessary if prices remain the same and people have the same amount of money to spend?

The prebate is the pacifier for the nanny set. It is also a benefit for the after tax retired set. It also shuts up the "No Fair" crowd.

[lewislynn]

Perhaps he knows what women want better than the women, themselves

Only because they haven't attended Doctor Hostage's reeducation camp.

I wonder if he makes his wife walk 3 paces behind him...in a Burka.

[lewislynn]

Why is the prebate necessary if prices remain the same and people have the same amount of money to spend?

Not only that, but how does that and even more (empty) promises make the "true cost of government more visible"?

[robertpaulsen]

"The prebate is the pacifier for the nanny set. It also shuts up the "No Fair" crowd."

Basically, a political rather than an economic decision intended to get votes. An awfully expensive and socialistic means to an end, wouldn't you agree?

What is it about these groups that makes them incapable of understanding that prices and incomes won't change, meaning a prebate is not necessary for anyone?

"It is also a benefit for the after tax retired set."

True. Every little bit helps. But it comes nowhere near reimbursing them for what they've obtained with post tax dollars.

[robertpaulsen]

"but how does that ... make the true cost of government more visible"?

They're living up to their word. Via the prebate, they're making the increased cost and size of government more visible. It's for all the dingbat voters who will be thinking, "It's about time that I got something from the government for a change".

[groanup]

Basically, a political rather than an economic decision intended to get votes. An awfully expensive and socialistic means to an end, wouldn't you agree?

Politics is the art of compromise.

In order to slay a dragon you may have to sacrifice a few knights.

[lewislynn]

Politics is the art of compromise.

Sadly, only Republicans live by that rule.

[Man50D]

I really prefer the “National Sales Tax” 3% period no more and food (dairy, grains, fruits & veggies) and Dr. prescribed medicines are not taxed. Booze, soda etc are taxed.

The Fair Tax rate of 23% is revenuse neutral because it take in the same amount of funding as the income tax. The rate you suggest is far too low and would result in the rate being raised in the short run.

Everyone pays their fair share.

Everyone will pay their fair share with the Fair Tax as they will have to pay based on the amount spent. Most people's spending is constrained by the amount of money they possess.

With a fair tax, there are too many loop holes and the wrong house could meddle with the rates.

There will be far fewer loopholes with The Fair Tax since people will be forced to pay the tax when they make a purchase. It will be extremely difficult for Congress to change the rate due to the Fair Tax's transparency of having the rate printed on the receipt. People would know immediately if the rate were raised. More importantly raising the rate too high will result in people spending less. Spending less will result in less taxes collected by the government. Congress will have to keep the rate within reasonable margins it they want o maximize their collections. Founding father and first Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton wrote about this principle in his Federalist paper #21. To quote:

"It is a signal advantage of taxes on articles of consumption that they contain in their own nature a security against excess. THey prescribe their own limit, which cannot be exceeded without defeating the end proposed-that is, an extension of the revenue. When applied to this object, the sayin is as just as it is witty that, "in political arithmetic, two and two do not always make four." If duties are too high, they lessen the consumption; the collection is eluded; and the product to the treasury is not so great as when they are confined within proper and moderate bounds. This forms a complete barrier against any material oppression of the citizens by taxes of this class, and is itself a natural limitation of the power of imposing them. "

[xcamel]

When you quote something, try to include the source, if it’s not too hard on you...

[SALChamps03]

We are giving him $500 because most people in his position are too stupid to see the benefits of the bill, and must have something tangible. It eliminates the argument that will surely be brought forth by liberals that the Fair Tax will “hurt the poor.”

[xcamel]

what the FTN’s can’t get their heads around, is that the pitfalls of the bill far outweigh the benefits. It matters not how bad the current system, the unfairtax does nothing to correct the addiction to government spending.

[Man50D]

When you quote something, try to include the source, if it’s not too hard on you...

Are you serious? As I stated in post #490 Founding father and first Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton wrote about this principle in his Federalist paper #21.

The source is Hamilton's Federalist Paper #21! You can't see the forest for the trees! LOL!!!!!!!!!

[xcamel]

Funny how Patric Henry and the anti-federalists won that fight....

"The wheels of the general government having been thus clogged, and the arrearages of taxes still accumulating, it may be asked what prospect is there of the government resuming its proper tone, -unless more compulsory powers are granted? To this it may be answered, that the produce of imposts on commerce, which all agree to vest in Congress, together with the immense tracts of land at their disposal, will rapidly lessen and eventually discharge the present encumbrances. When this takes place, the mode by requisition will be found perfectly adequate to the extraordinary exigencies of the union. Congress have lately sold land to the amount of eight millions of dollars, which is a considerable portion of the whole debt." --Patric Henry

[Diggity]

It will never happen because the bottome 50% don’t pay any federal income taxes. That’s the whole problem with the tax code. Not enough people pay taxes to get any reform.

John

[Man50D]

It will never happen because the bottome 50% don’t pay any federal income taxes.

The Fair Tax is not an income tax. It will replace the income tax with a national sales tax. Everyone will pay the tax whenever they purchase a service or new product.

[Diggity]

Yes but it won’t pass because half the public doesn’t want it because they don’t pay any taxes now.

That’s the whole problem with the tax code. Only a small% pay the bills.

Our tax code is unconstitutional because it victimizes a minority of the taxpayer by making them paying why more then there share.

Top 1% pay about 35% of the federal taxes.

John

[Man50D]

Yes but it won’t pass because half the public doesn’t want it because they don’t pay any taxes now.

Your response illustrates the biggest fallacy and problem with the insidious income tax code. Everyone of all economic classes pays taxes all the time. The problem is they are hidden/embedded/value added taxes(VATS). The income tax bracket most people fall into is 15 percent, and all wage earners pay 7.65 percent in payroll taxes. That’s 23 percent right there, without taking into account the 7.65 percent employer matching! On top of that, you have to add in the business taxes and associated compliance costs passed on to consumers in higher prices. Fair Tax FAQ #5

[Diggity]

I don’t count ss taxes as federal taxes. Plus most people dont’ pay any federal income taxes. That 15% bracket is before all the exemptions. 50% don’t pay ANY income taxes.

It will take the courts to declare our system unconstitutional before anything gets changed.

John