Posted on 08/27/2007 1:37:39 PM PDT by BnBlFlag
that which is NOT prohibited remains LAWFUL.
also, how do you "explain away" the TENTH AMENDMENT to the BOR, which states that those powers NOT CEDED to the federal government REMAIN the powers/RIGHTS of the STATES/PEOPLE???
i will assume, in the absence of PROOF to the contrary, that you agree that secession remains a viable/lawful OPTION in the face of federal TYRANNY.
free dixie,sw
Clause 3:
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution;
Article I: The Legislative Branch
Section 10
Clause 1:
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation;
Clause 3
No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, ....., keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded,
Now, these are the only references I have found in the Constitution for any reaction from the Federal government in reaction to a secession. The first is possibly the cause for using force to 'restore' the Union. Basically saying, 'you signed on, you cannot sign out'.
There is nothing to prohibit seccesion, but there some flaky causes to use force to 'restore' the 'several' states.
face it, "pistolshot", NONE of the STATES (particularly the SMALL states who FEARED, not without just cause/reason, that PA, NY & VA would forever DOMINATE the new union!) would have FREELY joined a union from which they could NOT, just as FREELY leave "at their own motion". that too is FACT.
free dixie,sw
I love how Watie's always saying, "ask me sometime about the sacrifice of at least 92 civilian members (mostly women & small children) of MY family, who were assaulted/raped/robbed & MURDERED for just being "other than white persons," but when you ask him, he says he's not interesting it telling it again.
Most likely he's just worried that he can't remember what he said last time about the dates, the location, the names of some of the victims, what the graves say, the units involved, and so on. He's already admitted that he placed the story in Mississippi for years before changing it to North Carolina. He gave two different names for the Mississippi cemetery they're supposedly buried in, but in more recent years he's said they're actually all buried on his aunt's farm, a fact that you'd think he'd have been aware of sooner. Apparently he was telling the story in all its details for some time without ever having visited the cemetery himself.
And then there's the whole issue of who wrote the letter about the incident, who reported it to the authorities, and so on. So many details to keep straight.
Originally the sovereigns, the people of the several states were included:
...all Treaties made under the Authority of the United States shall be the supreme Law of the several States, and of their Citizens and Inhabitants; and the Judges in the several States shall be bound thereby ...This was rejected, the sovereigns are not bound.
Applies to a state that is a member of the union. The seceded states, no longer members of the union, are free to compact with whomever they wish.
Yeah, what gives, swattie?
All this tooing and froing is a little hard to understand: Mississippi to Carolina, Carolina to Mississippi. Your ancestors got around as much as Prof. Tyrone Brown.
swattie, if you were fleeing Mississippi why would you got to the Carolina highlands, where there was guerrilla warfare going on? Wouldn't you have been more likely to head for Alabama?
But swattie, you're on record as having said this:
REF: the massmurders, rapes, pillaging and arson committed against MY family:the dates were April 16-18, 1864, Lake Corinth, Mississippi-the culprits were UNIFORMED "bummers" of the US Army
What gives?
BTW, post 887 is also for you (and Bubba Ho-Tep).
the MAIN difference between the two of you is "bubba, the LIAR" seems somewhat more intelligent than "x" & "x" seems a little less DISHONEST than "bubba". (are you sure that you aren't ONE person masquerading as 2 FReepers???)
why not head over to "daily kos" and/or DU & "sup with" your buddies, who USED to be FReepers???? (btw, i'm told that your old buddy, "Whiskey Papa", is NOW also on the A.N.S.W.E.R. website.)
general applause will follow your departure.
free dixie,sw
Like I said, you seem far more apprised of who’s over on the uber-liberal boards and what they’re talking about than I am.
FOX NEWS ALERT:
The United States won the Civil War.
THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT!
XD
Or the Indian Territory, which would have been much closer. Another interesting question is why there are no Bankheads listed in the 1851 Siler or Chapman censuses (censi?) of Cherokees east of the Mississippi. In fact, there's not a single Cherokee to be found in Mississippi, although that's not particularly surprising, since Mississippi was never Cherokee country. It was Choctaw and Natchez country.
Of course, then we come up on the Watie's apparent claim that he's a Bankhead on both his mother's side and his father's side, and that they're all from the same neighborhood in Mississippi. Pretty cozy.
YOU are the one who ADMITTED that you were ON "DU". (so you've been caught in ANOTHER,in a LONG series of, LIES.)
WHEN are you going to tell everyone WHO your were before you were PERMANENTLY BANNED from FR & WHAT specifically you DID to be BANNED forever???
have you forgotten that you ADMITTED to being the BANNED FOREVER, "heyworth, the HATER" on another thread??? (of course, you've told so many LIES, on so many subjects, that you aren't believed about that admission, either.)
oh, i forgot. be sure and tell everyone about the CRIMINAL FRAUD that you ADMITTED to committing, while trying to win an argument with me on FR. (that should really "fix" you, once & for all, with anyone who is HONEST!)
laughing AT you, SERIAL LIAR/fool/BIGOT.
free dixie,sw
I’ve admitted that I go over and check it out once in a while, and that I’ve posted maybe twice, telling them that they’re wrong about this or that fact. I’m not the only freeper to do so, from what I’ve read on these boards. Honestly, I’ve forgotten my password over there. However, if you want to find my alleged posts over there and link to them, have at it. You’re the one with sources telling you every detail about who is over there and what they’re talking about. Some of your friends must be spending a whole lot of time over there to tell you so much about what the long-departed Walt is up to.
and YES, "the GOE folks" always "keep an eye on" the A.N.S.W.E.R. website as it is a NEST of LEFTISTS/TRAITORS/BIGOTS/ANTI-Semites/FOOLS.
free dixie,sw
Really? So you admit that a bunch of Freepers spend a lot of time on DU, and yet you slam me for occassionally peeking over their to see what they’ve got their feathers ruffled about this time? Hypocritical much?
If you had read my post #869 the writer I sited covers this. Indeed your mentioning of “the people” supports the unconstitutionality of secession. The 10th amendment in limiting the power of the federal government gives sovereignty to TWO entities. One is the states, and the other is THE PEOPLE. Thats all the people of the whole nation as a single unit. It mentions the people as separate from the states. If you read my post you will see the framers felt that the federal government was answerable to THE PEOPLE and not to the states. The people as a whole(through the federal process), the whole nation, can only constitutionally allow states, groups of states, heck even parts of states from leaving the union. The writer goes on to explain how the civil war might have been classified a revolution but then does goes on to explain how it wasn’t.
“The United States won the Civil War”.
Are you a Native Tennessean Scalawag or a Yankee Carpetbagger masquerading as a Tennessean?
So what you are saying is your “fathers” weren’t man enough to protect your women.
My ancestors shot at people on both sides who thought it would be a great idea to pillage their livestock, lol.
I’m from Knoxville, which has a long and distinguished history of supporting Republicans since before the Civil War. We didn’t wait till it was the hip thing to do.
The Civil War ended 142 years ago. It should have about as much relevance to inhabitants of the South today as the War of 1812 did to inhabitants of Washington DC did back in the 1950’s. It ought to be remembered and learned about, sure, but it isn’t anything to base one’s life around unless they’re some sort of nerd, like a historian or a Live Action Roll Player. (troll troll troll XD )
That’s one of the differences between us and the rest of the world, and part of why this country (the United States, rofl) is so great. We’ve learned to let the past go and not hold grudges over s*** that happened centuries before we were born.
That’s why I find these threads where we internet-fight the Civil War over again hilarious!
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