[DesScorp]

In short, this confirms something I've suspected for awhile now...the natural alliance between social conservatives and libertarians is breaking down because while libertarians used to be social conservative personally, this newer generation is increasingly leftist in personal habits.

In the past few years, the most vigorous defense of pornography, drug use, and allowing sleaze on the airwaves has come from Libertarians. Not even Democrats in the 1970's heyday would defend these things as much now. Libertarians also seem to have a much higher level of atheism and hostility to faith in their ranks than they once did.

Libertarianism ain't what it used to be.

[John Leland 1789]

We have stated many times that libertarian equals libertine. While claiming to be Constitutional, it seeks to deny or dismiss that any particular moral or spiritual fabric existed undergirding the Constitution in the late 18th Century.

The Constitution for the united States is a document suited to a moral people; that morality based on a traditional biblicist Christian world view. Although it might be argued that one does not actually have to be a Christian to be a Constitutionalist, the Constitution can not long endure under a people who militate against the societal fabric that existed at the time of the Nation’s founders. Militating against that fabric is what Libertarians do, it appears to us.

A Philadelphia, 1789 Constitution is not suited to an Amsterdam 2007 morality.

[Daveinyork]

The problem with far too many libertarians is that they have forgotten that their philosophy is a theory of governance, of the proper role of government - ie. that the government should get out of most of our lives, but, that which the government should do, it should do well, and aggressively.

The problem with far too many conservatives is that they have forgotten that a part of their philosophy includes reducing government into its proper roles.

Both groups confuse legal issues of liberty and governance with moral issues of personal behavior.

[MEGoody]

Libertarians to Conservatives: Drop Dead

LOL Conservatives said this to Libertarians a long time ago.

[Eagle Eye]

Leftist is habits?

I think that you’ll find that neither the Communists or NAZI’s had much oficial tolerance for vice.

So I don’t know where you get the idea that porn, dope, sex, etc is leftist. Or that Republicans don’t partake.

[Eagle Eye]

Leftist IN habits not “is”. oops

[do the dhue]

HEAR HEAR

[from occupied ga]

libertarians is breaking down because while libertarians used to be social conservative personally, this newer generation is increasingly leftist in personal habits.

You have it exactly backwards. It is the "conservatives" as typified by the Bush Republican "compassionate conservatism" who are leaping and running to embrace ever more intrusive statism. Prescription drug socialised medicine - good conservative legislation there. No child left behind - more good conservatism. Patriot act - "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear, comrad" another conservative idea whoe time has apparently come again (originally Beria's quote, and we all know what "conservative" regime he served) Rudy Julie Annie, comment about freedom being submission to authority is a good example of the new "conservative" think.