Posted on 08/02/2007 7:05:34 AM PDT by Lennyq
Hahahaha, I thought the same thing but was too lazy to look it up. XD
Nice work!
She wasn’t psycho - just a jealous B!#ch. She taught Language Arts, and my kid (plus a few others) were also taking a gifted class in Literature Analysis. The teacher hated the gifted teacher, resented his curriculum, and took it out on all his kids. She derided their use of “big” words, their superior writing skills that put the rest of her class and her so-calle d academic standards, to shame. I will never understand why the school thought the kids had to take the LA class when the gifted class would have been plenty.
In any case, yes, there are a lot of parents who have no understanding of discipline, which is why schools need to be free to discipline. But they’re not, so the only solution is to get the kids out of the environment.
In my case, and in many others I can name, that meant homeschooling.
Again - did you read your own freaking link ?
You are changing the subject now. First you said schizophrenia was indeed a physical disease, now you’re castigating me over your wishful thinking that it was and that a magical cure could be found.
Reality bites, huh ?
From the CDC - Symptoms of ADHD
The year 2000 Diagnostic & Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders (DSM-IV-TR) provides criteria for diagnosing ADHD. The criteria are presented here in modified form in order to make them more accessible to the general public. They are listed here for information purposes and should be used only by trained health care providers to diagnose or treat ADHD.
DSM-IV Criteria for ADHD
I. Either A or B:
Six or more of the following symptoms of inattention have been present for at least 6 months to a point that is disruptive and inappropriate for developmental level:
Inattention
Often does not give close attention to details or makes careless mistakes in schoolwork, work, or other activities.
Often has trouble keeping attention on tasks or play activities.
Often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly.
Often does not follow instructions and fails to finish schoolwork, chores, or duties in the workplace (not due to oppositional behavior or failure to understand instructions).
Often has trouble organizing activities.
Often avoids, dislikes, or doesn't want to do things that take a lot of mental effort for a long period of time (such as schoolwork or homework).
Often loses things needed for tasks and activities (e.g. toys, school assignments, pencils, books, or tools).
Is often easily distracted.
Is often forgetful in daily activities.
Six or more of the following symptoms of hyperactivity-impulsivity have been present for at least 6 months to an extent that is disruptive and inappropriate for developmental level:
Hyperactivity
Often fidgets with hands or feet or squirms in seat.
Often gets up from seat when remaining in seat is expected.
Often runs about or climbs when and where it is not appropriate (adolescents or adults may feel very restless).
Often has trouble playing or enjoying leisure activities quietly.
Is often "on the go" or often acts as if "driven by a motor".
Often talks excessively.
Impulsivity
Often blurts out answers before questions have been finished.
Often has trouble waiting one's turn.
Often interrupts or intrudes on others (e.g., butts into conversations or games).
Some symptoms that cause impairment were present before age 7 years.
Some impairment from the symptoms is present in two or more settings (e.g. at school/work and at home).
There must be clear evidence of significant impairment in social, school, or work functioning.
The symptoms do not happen only during the course of a Pervasive Developmental Disorder, Schizophrenia, or other Psychotic Disorder. The symptoms are not better accounted for by another mental disorder (e.g. Mood Disorder, Anxiety Disorder, Dissociative Disorder, or a Personality Disorder).
Based on these criteria, three types of ADHD are identified:
ADHD, Combined Type: if both criteria 1A and 1B are met for the past 6 months
ADHD, Predominantly Inattentive Type: if criterion 1A is met but criterion 1B is not met for the past six months
ADHD, Predominantly Hyperactive-Impulsive Type: if Criterion 1B is met but Criterion 1A is not met for the past six months.
American Psychiatric Association: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision. Washington, DC, American Psychiatric Association, 2000.
as there is no consensus on the definition
Man, you have some serious reading comprehension problems.
You are funny. You accuse me of those things you do - that is, grasping at straws.
You are still no closer to proving anything you have said on this thread, and you sound ridiculous.
In your opinion, only experts who have no knife in the fight are worthy of respect ?
I guess anyone who spends years in a field and who writes about their findings and experiences and research are instantly suspect, according to you ?
If you append the phrase “according to whom” at the end of eash listed behavior, you get the idea.
You should see the scales they use to rate these behaviors. The correct answers to each question, and there are about 80 or so questions, are never, seldom, frequently/often, and always.
If you answer anything other than “never” more than three times for the list, your kid is diagnosed ADHD possibly with ODD.
How many children do you know who don’t frequently squirm, don’t listen, or don’t try to avoid intense mental activity for long periods of time. And what’s the definition of “long” by the way ? 10 minutes, 1 hour, 3 hours ?
The entire thing is a scam.
While we as Americans are quick to look for a 'magic' pill to solve our problems, some things are out of our hands and medication is the best solution.
I'm not saying that I don't respect this man or that I find his research doubtful, I don't know enough about him to formulate a strong opinion. I'm just cynical of authors pushing books under the guise of science. Maybe this guy is right on the money, maybe he isn't. I withhold judgment until I see peer review
Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia are disorders that are centered in the brain. Is not the brain part of the physical body? Why should these illnesses not be considered physical illnesses? To set them aside as only mental illness and then say that their treatments are ineffectual ignores the research and the positive results that have come about through treatment.
In bipolar disorder, the physical changes in the brain have been found in MRIs. There has been new research into the dysfunction at critical nodes within a frontal-subcortical-thalamic-pontine-cerebellar network responsible for emotional regulation. To say that the loss of proper functioning in the brain is not an elemental component of bipolar disorder minimizes the illness, and does not take into account the limited amount of information that is known about brain function.
In schizophrenia brain development disruption is now known to be the result of genetic predisposition and environmental stressors early in development (during pregnancy or early childhood), leading to subtle alterations in the brain that make a person susceptible to developing schizophrenia. Environmental factors later in life (during early childhood and adolescence) can either damage the brain further and thereby increase the risk of schizophrenia, or lessen the expression of genetic or neurodevelopmental defects and decrease the risk of schizophrenia. Obviously in schizophrenia we are dealing with brain damage. And that makes this illness much more difficult to treat.
It is the greater understanding of the brain that brings about better tools and medications for dealing with these illnesses. And to say that psychiatry does not work, sadly ignores the neurology that psychiatrists have at their disposal when treating these illnesses. If not for the wonders of neurology, the effective use of ECT in depression would never have happened.
Long-term psychiatric care is essential when treating both schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Without it those patients that suffer through these conditions would not have a positive filter through which they can explore their thoughts and emotions. It is this type of inspection that does help the bipolar sufferer to learn to deal with cycling emotions. And the schizophrenic is given an outlet for paranoia and worries. In both instances the use of psychiatry is key in helping the patient deal with the illness.
The fact that there is no cure for these illnesses and that there are only a few tools available does not mean that there is no hope within the psychiatric community as well as with the patients themselves. Every day more is being learned about these and other illnesses. I’m not ready to close the book on these illnesses, yet.
Being a bipolar patient myself, I can tell you that life is very different from the inside looking out. And passing judgement on those who suffer, blaming psychiatry for the illness is a lame attempt to belittle the illness. In doing so, you offend the patient. Was that your aim?
See 152. :)
Did medication help the killers at Columbine, or VA Tech, or Andrea Yates, or others ?
No, in fact the medication itself often causes paranoia, irritability, depression and other ills. Read the side effects sometime, of all the psychotropic drugs.
If you read the full literature on psychiatric diagnoses, esp. those you mention, none of them have any good treatment options. Drugs that might control some of the behaviors often cause other problems, for which more pills are prescribed, and there is absolutely no research on the consequences of the interaction of a variety of these drugs. What is known is not encouraging.
In the context of this article and this author, he has called for a full physical workup before any psychiatric care is started. Did you know, for example, that a lot of physical illnesses cause psychiatric issues ? That thyroid disorders cause, among other things, severe depression ?
So no, I think the psychotropic drugs are, in most cases, as bad as the diagnosis.
I call BS - see post #37 for a full explanation of someone that spoke with a recruiting office today.
I hope that life continues to hand you situations that can be ameliorated by positive thinking, self-determination, hard work, and/or a change of circumstances.
Sorry, they have evidently changed since my nephew tried to enlist 20 years ago.
NP - I knew the answer because I work with special education children. Can’t count the number of times I’ve had that question asked of me. Enough that I had the local Nat. Guard send me info on it to hand out.
Kudos to you for finding the information for your students! You must have brought relief to many parents who had concerns.
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