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The ATF & me [sic]
The Boston Globe ^ | 7/20/07 | Steve Bailey

Posted on 07/20/2007 7:40:18 AM PDT by wilco200

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To: ObadiahLynch

See post #27


41 posted on 07/20/2007 10:03:15 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: wilco200
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Doofus columnists are exempt from the laws us mere mortals must observe.

Just saying.

42 posted on 07/20/2007 10:05:59 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: dread78645
True, but in NH we have private sales where no form 4473 is needed...even without the 4473 it is still a straw purchase. I expect the NH resident did buy the gun from a dealer, and in NH the DPS does the background check...
43 posted on 07/20/2007 10:07:32 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: Centurion2000
Actually he didn't break the law.

Well, then, why the column?
He's got nothing to worry about.

44 posted on 07/20/2007 10:07:38 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Teacher317
No gun registration in NH
45 posted on 07/20/2007 10:09:38 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: Teacher317

You don’t know, unless we all care the “BOX” Lie Detector with us...


46 posted on 07/20/2007 10:11:05 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: BoneHead
He didn't buy the gun he merely paid for the gun.

OTOH, if he's telling all the world he bought the gun it's certainly worth asking him some questions.

Maybe the guy is just a crappy journalist who doesn't understand the meaning of words. When he confesses that, all will be OK.

47 posted on 07/20/2007 10:19:29 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Live Earth: Pretend to Care)
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To: wilco200
Even though the gun stayed in the state where it was purchased by the legal resident who signed the 4473, this appears to be a straw sale. buyer was not the 'true purchaser'.

Ee-Legal.

I don't expect BATFE to do anything here except go through the motions. They're on his side. Only to the 'bad people' do they threaten ten years in prison and a $250,000 fine for the awful crime of having a $0.35 Bulgarian-made plastic grip on a firearm rather that a domestically produced but otherwise identical $7.99 plastic grip.

Besides, what's the guy complaining about? Isn't the gun law and the Federal oversight agency just doing their job?

48 posted on 07/20/2007 10:28:18 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Teacher317
Okay, but how will a firearms retailer EVER know if someone is lying on that form?

Absent a pattern of straw purchases, the dealer doesn't have to. The onus is on the buyer.
Apparently a taped radio interview sused out Belair, who's now on the hook for 5 years in jail and $250,000.

How is it a demonstration that the “system is broke”?

Beats me. Maybe you can ask Mr. Bailey at bailey@globe.com?

49 posted on 07/20/2007 10:58:35 AM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: Centurion2000

sounds like ATF’s favourite charge.. “conspiracy to commit federal firearms laws violations.”


50 posted on 07/20/2007 11:08:51 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (Stop repeat offenders. Don't re-elect them!)
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To: Fee

Looks more like a “gift” than a straw buy to me, but he deserved to be investigated because he’s a moron. Just sorry he didn’t have to take it home with him to show his boss what he spent the $ for, so he could have been arrested as well as investigated.


51 posted on 07/20/2007 12:08:39 PM PDT by penowa
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To: Centurion2000
He didn't actually break the law. He just expensed 250 bucks to his company to cover the cost of the $$$ he gave to someone else for buying a handgun.

Not really - the original purchase was for Bailey. That was a straw purchase, plain and simple - and illegal as hell.

When *after-the-fact* he decided not to keep the gun, that did not change the original purchase. He did NOT drive up to New Hampshire in order to buy his friend a gun. He went up to New Hampshire to make a straw purchase - which he did. Otherwise there would be no story. Pudding = proof.

Dicking around with gun laws like this is just plain stupid - and he is guilty as hell. No point complaining to the publisher - that Stalinist Marty Baron or whatever, will defend the guy to his last breath.

52 posted on 07/20/2007 11:38:49 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: penowa
Looks more like a “gift” than a straw buy to me,

He did not drive up to New Hampshire in order to make a gift. The transaction was not undertaken in order to make a gift. The "gift" was after the fact, and solely a matter of convenience so he did not have to touch the nasty old gun. The "gift" feature had nothing to do with his intent or the transaction itself.

53 posted on 07/20/2007 11:44:20 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: wilco200
An anti-Second Amendment nitwit. He doesn't like the freedom to buy and own a gun? Fine but that doesn't give him the right to prevent any one else from exercising their freedom in that respect. Liberalism today promotes and abets fascism. The NRA is the nation's civil rights group but you'd never know that from reading Steve Bailey's rant against the RKBA and America's gun owners.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

54 posted on 07/20/2007 11:52:38 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: dread78645
Bingo! For liberals, its all about THEM. The laws are made for the Little Guy. On the other hand, jerks like Bailey can break the law against straw purchasing to further their agenda. You'd think his employer would fire him both for doing that as well breach of ethics. Nah. The Boston Globe libs are too dense to appreciate how poor an argument that is for gun control. But hey, as long you're on the right side, you have carte blanche to do whatever you want. Let's hope the ATF lets Mr. Bailey know THAT isn't how we do things in our country.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

55 posted on 07/21/2007 12:02:10 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Sir Hailstone
I love nothing more than the sight of a liberal getting hoist on his own anti-gun jeremiad. It couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

56 posted on 07/21/2007 12:13:00 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Nailbiter

ping for later


57 posted on 07/21/2007 4:40:04 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: penowa

Looks straw purchase to me. His own admissions 1. he hates guns 2. He provided the money and purchased the firearm in his name and handed it to the 3rd party. That’s a straw purchase.


58 posted on 07/21/2007 6:24:42 AM PDT by Sir Hailstone (Graduate of The Archie Bunker School of Conservatism [http://digitalfarmers.blogspot.com])
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To: Sir Hailstone

Re-read the article. He provided the $, giving it to the person who was a resident of N.H., who purchased the gun and kept it. Had he taken the gun purchased by the other guy, it would have been a straw purchase. All he did was give the guy $, thus, a gift.


59 posted on 07/21/2007 8:25:27 PM PDT by penowa
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To: Fido969

He deserved to be investigated. Of course, he never would have been had he not written the column telling what he did. His purpose, as stated, may have been to show how easy it was to buy a gun out-of-state and bring it back, but that isn’t what he did. He gave a legal resident of N.H. the $, and that person purchased and kept the gun in N.H. As far as I know, there is no law against giving someone $ to legally buy a gun for himself, i.e., a gift. He may have had the intent to commit a crime, but he didn’t follow through, and because of that, I don’t believe he could be convicted.


60 posted on 07/21/2007 8:38:56 PM PDT by penowa
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