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Govenor Kaine Shuns Special Sesson
The Washington Times ^ | July 14, 2007 | Seth McLaughlin

Posted on 07/16/2007 5:52:36 PM PDT by MosesKnows

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To: Corin Stormhands; CJ Wolf
The difference might be that these are civil penalties, not fines.

All the more reason for an appeals process.

A friend of mine just recently had a reckless charge dropped down to just a minor speeding offense, right here in Virginia. The ticket had been issued prior to this law taking effect, so the "fees" would not have applied, however it goes t show that you can fight/appeal traffic tickets in Virginia.

61 posted on 07/17/2007 11:03:37 AM PDT by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Gabz; CJ Wolf

Oh yeah, reckless driving, always go to court.

I was in an accident (my fault) and had a reckless driving charge dropped down to “failure to yield” by offering to go to driving school.

And you can do driving school online now (couldn’t when I did it).


62 posted on 07/17/2007 11:07:15 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: Darnright
It took me a bit longer to pass the truck, because I stayed at 65, unlike the foreigner behind me.

You should have stayed in the right lane if you were going to clog up the passing lane. If you want to enforce speeding laws, join the police force. From where I sit, you were the horse's behind

63 posted on 07/17/2007 11:15:27 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51; Darnright
If you want to enforce speeding laws, join the police force.

How about if he just wants to obey the speeding laws?

64 posted on 07/17/2007 11:22:53 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with punishing seriously bad drivers, I just don’t see this as a way to accomplish that.

Here on the Shore I have to deal with driving on Rte 13 on a daily basis, the vast majority of the road abusers do not have VA plates on their vehicles, and of those the majority are illegals with Tennessee plates. They’re easy to spot, the vehicles are older model pieces of junk with more passengers than designed for. when VA starts cracking down on them, then I just might reconsider my opposition to these “fees.” That idea, of course, has the proverbial snowballs chance........


65 posted on 07/17/2007 11:26:50 AM PDT by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Corin Stormhands

How about if someone has a legitimate emergency and he decides to park his ass in the left lane next to a slow moving truck?


66 posted on 07/17/2007 11:26:50 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Gabz

Agreed. This is the wrong way to handle it.


67 posted on 07/17/2007 11:28:41 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: paul51

Whatever.

I’m not sure about where you’re from, but most of us around here don’t call 65 mph “parked.”


68 posted on 07/17/2007 11:29:46 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

I’m pretty sure you understand what I’m talking about. Then again, maybe not


69 posted on 07/17/2007 11:31:32 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: MosesKnows

We got the government we deserved.


70 posted on 07/17/2007 11:33:01 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: paul51

I undertand that 99.9% of the time those barreling down on the bumpers of others in the passing lane are not experiencing a legitimate emergency, but are perhaps just compensating for...something...


71 posted on 07/17/2007 11:35:46 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: paul51; Corin Stormhands

>You should have stayed in the right lane if you were going to clog up the passing lane. If you want to enforce speeding laws, join the police force. From where I sit, you were the horse’s behind<

Look in the mirror, dearie. The truck I was passing slowed down to 50 mph in a 65 zone. I don’t want to pay the state of my birth thousands of $$ in tax, so I stayed at the posted limit while I legally passed the truck.

The tailgater didn’t have to worry about Governor Kaine’s confiscatory tax, so he had no reason to slow down.


72 posted on 07/17/2007 11:36:57 AM PDT by Darnright
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To: R. Scott
Making the new "fees" (Note, not fines - fees) applicable to all would hurt tourism.

This is an implicit admission that the new tax (let's call it by its right name; the purpose was to squeeze more money out of the citizens, not to enforce traffic laws) will bite perfectly ordinary drivers -- if it only affected truly bad ones, then keeping them away would be a net benefit (the loss of a few tourist dollars would be more than offset by reduced accident cost).

There are quite a few places where the speed limit drops by 10-20 MPH with grossly insufficient warning. Given that drivers on major roads need to exceed posted limits by 5-10 MPH in order to safely keep up with traffic, that means they will inevitably be 20-30 MPH over when they first hit the speed trap.

73 posted on 07/17/2007 11:38:03 AM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: Darnright
Look in the mirror, dearie.

That's what you should have done sweetums before you pulled out into the passing lane. If you were going 15 MPH faster than the vehicle you were passing you wouldn't have been out there long enough to hold up traffic.

74 posted on 07/17/2007 11:45:38 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Corin Stormhands

What is the proper way of dealing with chronically bad driving alludes me, but like you, I agree this is not the way to handle it.

Another group of “bad” drivers this will do nothing about are those with “government” plates and we know there are tons of those in NoVA, the Hampton Roads/Tidewater area as well as here on the Shore.


75 posted on 07/17/2007 11:46:45 AM PDT by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: Corin Stormhands
I undertand that 99.9% of the time those barreling down on the bumpers of others in the passing lane are not experiencing a legitimate emergency, but are perhaps just compensating for...something...

That's interesting. I have similar thoughts when I see drivers cruising along in the left lane holding up traffic.

76 posted on 07/17/2007 11:48:58 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51

>you wouldn’t have been out there long enough to hold up traffic.<

I wasn’t holding up traffic, just one fool going over 80.


77 posted on 07/17/2007 11:55:45 AM PDT by Darnright
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To: Gabz
For me personally this has no bearing, as I have no points on my DL and haven’t for many, many years. It’s the principle of it that has me up in arms.

Same here - I'm maxed out on "Safe Driver" points, which I could use to offset "Bad Driver" points if I ever did get a moving violation, but it's the principle, dammit.

Both my assemblymen voted for this mess - I'm voting for anyone running against them, including Satan.

78 posted on 07/17/2007 11:58:22 AM PDT by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: Darnright

If he was going 80, and you were going 65, you were holding up traffic. You sure showed him


79 posted on 07/17/2007 12:00:54 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51; Darnright

I’m amazed that you have such a hard time understanding someone’s desire to just obey the law.

Please let us know the next time you drive through Virginia so we can all drive five miles under the speed limit just to piss you off.


80 posted on 07/17/2007 12:03:20 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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