Shoeless George Bush--Washington's continuing confusion with Islam

FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | July 4, 2007 | Daniel Pipes

[rageaholic]

I don’t know what volvonators deal is, maybe he’s one of those many stealth muslims tasked to propagate their crap on the internet. But he lost all credibility when he claimed Bush never said “islam is peace”. He doesn’t realize we have the internet to trip him up.

[wolfinator]

I’m going to look into Frum’s story. Maybe there’s truth in it, maybe not. I never said stuff like that didn’t happen. I said that it was far overshadowed by the outpouring of grief and patriotism shown by most American Muslims.

But you, rageaholic, you still can’t show a quote where Bush said “Islam is peace.” You might find similar sounding quotes that mean different things, but you won’t find the specific in-context quote you claim.

Now, while I do a little homework on Frum’s story, ponder the following:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1861682/posts

[wolfinator]

I read Edmonds’ allegtions about translators at the FBI celebrating 9/11. These have never been corroborated, though of course that doesn't necessarily mean they are untrue. Still, I remain skeptical to say the least. So many similar allegations were shown to be completely bogus.

But at the same time, we had ample evidence (the examples from Dearborn, for example) of Arab Americans expressing sadness and outrage at the 9/11 attack. We also have the many Arab American soldiers fighting in our military.

The most either of you can say is that there are some bad Muslim Americans and many Muslim extremists around the world. I won’t ever deny that. But both of you continue to deny the fact that Muslims have lived peacefully in America for over 100 years and that the vast majority continue to do so. You simply seem to ignore any information that goes against your thesis that all Muslims are inherently evil.

I did a little checking on Mr. Frum’s prior posts here on FR and found things like his referring to Muslims as “a billion pieces of filth” and “subhuman.”

Where do such “arguments” take you, Mr. Frum? What exactly would you like to see done to American Muslims?

[John Frum]

They are not allegations, its fact.

You choose to ignore facts presented to you because it suits your argument.

I stand behind any and all statements I may have said in the past, although I will not believe anything that you choose to quote as you are full of inaccuracies. I don't need to check what I may have said before.

Here is perfect example, not only did Rageaholic already post the specific in context quote once before, you neglected to read it, before you reacted. Then you react with the same wrong information that you posted before he corrected you (with the type of information that a 3rd grader could likely find in less than a minute on the White House website, which is beyond reproach in terms of accuracy).

Again, I will requote and re-emphasize again (in bold face) below:

But you, rageaholic, you still can’t show a quote where Bush said “Islam is peace.” You might find similar sounding quotes that mean different things, but you won’t find the specific in-context quote you claim he did, and he posted a link to the white house website, with the press release.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html

The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace

Once again you've made a proclamation and you've been proven dead flat wrong, your credibility is shot.

[wolfinator]

I do apologize—you are both correct about President Bush’s statement. I was wrong.

But in its context, I agree completely with the president’s remark.

Now let’s talk about credibility. Particularly you, Mr. Frum.

You have ignored every example I’ve given you regarding peaceful patriotic American Muslims and about Muslims overseas who deplore the actions and beliefs of the extremists. Moreover, Mr. Frum, your previously insanely hateful comments regarding Muslims are a matter of record here on FR as is your failure to address them now.

In terms of credibility, I think I beat you hands down. Note, for example, that not a single GOP candidate would support your assertion that the world’s billion Muslims constitutes “a billion pieces of filth.” Nor would they agree with you that there are no peaceful patriotic Muslim Americans.

Only the fascist far right would go along with you on these points.

So, I have to say, I’m pretty happy with my credibility. I may make an honest mistake now and then, but I’m not an enemy of American freedom and principle.

[bvw]

There are some cultures who came to Islam through strength. Bosnians and Turks. The others -- nearly all through weakness. Originally Mohammed set out to restore a moral order, as best I figure. He saw the widespread drunkeness and gambling and sexual perversities of his fellow Arabians as troubling. Under the guidance of his uncle and his first wife, he cobbled together a cult. And, by the will of G-d, it was a timely thing to do. It was wildly successful.

Yet, it is a cancer to all who encounter it through weakness, and a disability o those who come to it through strength. It is false, a confusion. A breeding ground for grudge bearers and the perverted vicious soul.

[expatguy]

My comments on this article - I think you will find interesting -

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[montag813]

Here is a list of the positive contributions of Islam to society... End of list.

You forgot...

Dates
Bomb Targets

[montag813]

Would Truman have whored himself to be speak at a shinto shrine during the War in the Pacific?

A more apt comparison would have been FDR visiting a Japanese Shinto shrine a few days after Pearl Harbor, taking his shoes off, and declaring Japanese as "peaceful". Unthinkable, right? But Bush did the same thing a mere 4 days after 9/11--while the ground still smoldered in New York, he took his shoes off in a flithy mosque and declared "Islam is Peace". He shamed all Americans, and I have viewed him with suspicion from that very day. My wife and I knew that he had taken the wrong path in the then-nascent "war on terror". Bush simply doesn't get it. God help us if the next guy doesn't either.

[Weeedley]

He is cementing a place in history as a worse war time president than Johnson. At least Johnson in all his ineptitude knew who the bad guys were. A resignation and letting Cheney finish the term is the only thing that saves this mess.

[GOPJ]

Bush has a point - in the long run. In the short run Bush's ideas are an invitation to be walked on... And that's how he's being judged. Short run.

In the long run, Muslims will join the real world. Hopefully before their fellow humans wipe them off the face of the earth.

The ideas behind Islam condemn it's followers to poverty and war.

And yes, on the edges, it is a death cult. Some Muslims are starting to see this - - they wonder why, if their religion is so great - does it produce war, poverty and hatred. Muslims need to question. Bush needs a plan that forces the debate.

[whatisthetruth]

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How's this?

[expatguy]

Oh well... that is definitely slut material

[Do Be]

Bush has a point - in the long run. In the short run Bush's ideas are an invitation to be walked on... And that's how he's being judged. Short run.

I'm not sure why you replied to me but since you did . . .

Bush is not the savior of the world. It's not his job to save the jolly folks of Islam.

In the short run he is supposed to perform his duties as President of the United States. But instead, in the short run, his best buddies are the Saudis and Ted Kennedy, neither of which have this country's best interests at heart.

In the long run my guess is that, if the Hindus are right about the afterlife, he's probably going to reincarnate as a worm.

In the long run, Muslims will join the real world. .

Why are you speaking for the Muslims? There isn't much evidence that Muslims are "joiners". If your goal is to spread peace and love then perhaps instead you could say," They just don't seem to play well with others, bless their hearts."

Hopefully before their fellow humans wipe them off the face of the earth.

Their fellow humans are probably too civilized to wipe them off the face of the earth. What's really needed is a good pruning. You know, the kind where it looks like you've killed the bush but it will, in the long run, grow back, hopefully healthier.

The ideas behind Islam condemn it's followers to poverty and war.

Let me get this straight. You think in the long run the mussies will join the real world but admit that it is their religious beliefs that have kept them from doing so. So you think that in the long run they're going to rewrite the Koran? Or that they will see the light and all become Christians?

And yes, on the edges, it is a death cult.

And yes, in the middle it produces war, poverty and hatred.

Some Muslims are starting to see this - - they wonder why, if their religion is so great - does it produce war, poverty and hatred.

In your world there are Muslims going around thinking their religion is wrong based upon their living conditions. Are these the same Muslims that have been drawing cartoons of Mohamed?

Muslims need to question.

Yes, and bathe more often and display a little less arrogance. Perhaps you could be the one to tell them so.

Bush needs a plan that forces the debate.

Bush needs to do his job. The military forces of the civilized world need to force the debate.

[John Frum]

Either you are a closet liberal (in which case why you hang out on a conservative bulletin board is beyond comprehension) or you are a closet muslim. In my opinion both are pretty much not worth their salt they contain.

Fascism is for gullible losers. Socialism is also for losers. Communism IS a failure. Only capitalism is the true salvation.