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People's Tenor Pits the Sniffles Against the Sniffs (DFU and FR Mention!)
The New York Times ^ | June 24, 2007 | DANIEL J. WAKIN

Posted on 06/24/2007 3:42:55 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod

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To: mylife
Every genre has its Pavarottis and its Potts, its ear music and its soul music.

I mentioned Art Tatum. He was arguably the Pavarotti of jazz piano. I never get tired of listening to his technical brilliance. But he has never moved me to tears.

The last jazz piece I listened to that moved me to tears was a recording of Chet Baker playing "All Blues" live, in Germany in 1988, not long before his death. Baker was technically better three decades earlier; drugs and hard-living had left him scarred badly. His teeth had rotted away making it impossible for him to play a trumpet well. So he used a flugelhorn. His phrasing was surreal, incomparable. It was a Paul Potts performance.

121 posted on 06/24/2007 4:46:57 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles
Try Stephan Grappelli or Django Rheinhart
122 posted on 06/24/2007 4:49:30 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

I’m very familiar with both. Django had a physical handicap as a result of a fire that left two fingers of his fretting hand permanently fused. I personally know jazz guitarists (I am a guitarist, BTW) who play far more technically challenging tunes than Django was ever able to play. But Django played soul music, joyful, irrepressible soul music with that deformed hand.


123 posted on 06/24/2007 4:55:13 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: infidel29
Did you see the 12 year old girl that won America's got talent last year? Her name is Bianca Ryan.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6488632342430056518&q=americas+got+talent+winner&total=62&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

124 posted on 06/24/2007 4:55:47 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ ("Courage is when you are scared to death, saddle up and ride out anyway." John F'in Wayne.)
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To: JCEccles

Thats what Im talking about with potts. its soul music to him


125 posted on 06/24/2007 4:57:04 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mad_as_he$$
I take it you are a singer?

Yep.

If yes what type?

Soprano, classical mostly but love singing 40's and 50's stuff including musicals.

126 posted on 06/24/2007 5:03:37 PM PDT by Diva
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To: aristotleman
I don’t believe I’ve ever heard them, (my loss, I am sure) for I know that all three are individually great.

I have come to appreciate all music as I have grown older, though I grew up a snob toward everything except country and Blue Grass. Yes, we humble bumpkins can be uppity too.

Music of all kind is written and performed to be enjoyed by the listener. That fact is clear to everyone except the critics and the snobs.

127 posted on 06/24/2007 5:07:54 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (The President, the Senate, the House,have surrendered to 20 million criminals. Anarchy? Hell yes!)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

http://octavedoc.com/Music/07%20-%20On%20Squirrel%20Hill.mp3


128 posted on 06/24/2007 5:09:17 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
Thanks for the link. Unfortunately it has been several years since the audio on this computer has worked. I will book mark the link as an incentive to me to get it fixed.
129 posted on 06/24/2007 5:23:39 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (The President, the Senate, the House,have surrendered to 20 million criminals. Anarchy? Hell yes!)
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To: Diva

I am not a particular fan or follower of Opera, but I love Placido Domingo all over the place in preference to just about anyone I’ve ever heard including Pavarotti.
I’d imagine Opera fans are every bit as snobbish as anyone else , like Classical Music fans, who feel they have to strenuouosly defend their territory against Philistines/
But I find more and more that I like, and appreciate, if not the “amateur”, then at least the low-budget,unheralded,and resourceful entries in all the arts. I go to lots of high priced theatre in New York, but the BEST THING I have seen in years, dollar for dollar was a little, basically one- man show with multi media, called EL CONQUISTADOR by Thaddeus Phillips. Check it out.Google is your friend.


130 posted on 06/24/2007 5:34:26 PM PDT by supremedoctrine (The only thing sourdough bread is good for is a grilled cheese sandwich.For that, it's essential.)
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To: BlessedBeGod

I didn’t read the whole story, as it called for a NYT subscription, but what was it that made him “dentally challenged”? And BTW, Doug from Upland, congrats on the notice! We are all waiting for the accompanying song to go with the issue. I can’t think of anything to suggest, though.


131 posted on 06/24/2007 5:37:52 PM PDT by supremedoctrine (The only thing sourdough bread is good for is a grilled cheese sandwich.For that, it's essential.)
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To: L,TOWM; doug from upland

Too early to be FReeping, I guess. It wasn’t clear to me who the quote was attributed to, because of foggy morning brain.

I like Doug’s stuff. Sorry, DFU, for not pinging you, and if what I said offended you. I thought it was someone from the article that was being quoted. Now that’s it’s after 4 PM, it makes more sense.


132 posted on 06/24/2007 6:10:02 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: BlessedBeGod

133 posted on 06/24/2007 6:19:07 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: metmom

No offense taken. :)


134 posted on 06/24/2007 6:19:58 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: doug from upland

Thanks.

Nearest I can recall, I thought someone from the NYT article was saying something like that about FReepers.


135 posted on 06/24/2007 6:23:07 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: BlessedBeGod

I’ve never cared for opera in any form or fashion in my life but will gladly pay to go see Paul Potts if he comes to my area. I hope all the black tie opera Nazis choke on my sport shirt and blue jeans.


136 posted on 06/24/2007 6:25:43 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (The Republican party of today is the Whig party of the 1850's.)
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To: CaliGirlGodHelpMe
He was technically not that great but never mind - it was an uplifting, loving performance

Thus the difference between an artist and a technician - something that the so-called sophisticated critics rarely "get". Technical perfection ain't got no soul.

137 posted on 06/24/2007 6:28:42 PM PDT by LexBaird (PR releases are the Chinese dog food of political square meals.)
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To: Diva
Any place on the net I can hear you work?
138 posted on 06/24/2007 6:36:02 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ ("Courage is when you are scared to death, saddle up and ride out anyway." John F'in Wayne.)
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To: supremedoctrine

Pavarotti is a spinto tenor. His voice is heavier than a lyric tenor’s but not quite as dramatic.

Domingo is a dramatic tenor. His voice is powerful and rich (heroic?). It could be that it is the style, the “fach,” that is what moves you.

Have you listened to either Mario del Monaco or Franco Corelli? They too are more like Domingo than like Pavarotti.

I am partial to Andrea Bocelli. He has an incredible voice.

There are some nice aria collections on Amazon and one has 20 arias with about 8 tenors. It is a bargain for $11.


139 posted on 06/24/2007 6:46:18 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Frank Sheed

You really like Boccelli? All I have read indicates people have left his concerts shaking their heads at how pallid and weak his voice is and wondering how and why they could have wasted their money and been so gullible about being seduced by the marketing that brought them there. I’m not kidding.


140 posted on 06/24/2007 6:55:28 PM PDT by supremedoctrine (The only thing sourdough bread is good for is a grilled cheese sandwich.For that, it's essential.)
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