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An All-Submarine Navy(?)
OpinionEditorials ^ | 6-19-07 | Mike Burleson

Posted on 06/21/2007 7:37:25 AM PDT by SShultz460

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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Edmund Fitzgerald was referred to as a ship.

But I understand the boat reference.


21 posted on 06/21/2007 7:50:35 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: SShultz460

Yes, I understand they are real greyhounds!


22 posted on 06/21/2007 7:50:45 AM PDT by RexBeach (Americans never quit. -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: SShultz460
This sounds a lot like the talk that I heard in the late eighties early nineties.

Why do we still have Infantry? With all the fire power that a modern air force can bring to the battlefield, with waves and waves of missiles and bombers etc ... isn’t spending thousands of dollars per Infantryman a bit extravagant?

Then a real war came along....

23 posted on 06/21/2007 7:50:55 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: SShultz460

Chicks allowed on Subs?


24 posted on 06/21/2007 7:51:48 AM PDT by dakine
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To: SShultz460
For some reason, that old saw about eggs and one basket comes to mind.
25 posted on 06/21/2007 7:52:28 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: edcoil

Not by anyone who sailed the Lakes.


26 posted on 06/21/2007 7:53:05 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: SShultz460
SONOBUOY PING!

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27 posted on 06/21/2007 7:53:19 AM PDT by magslinger (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors. And miss. R.A.Heinlein)
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To: RexBeach
I love aircraft carriers, but if they are attacked by waves of cruise missiles launched from a long way out, how would one evade and survive?

Carriers do not travel alone. There is a lot of interlocking firepower available to sweep the skies free of missiles.

Carriers can also launch a counter attack to the missile launch sites, without crossing over the nuclear threshold.

Of course once an opponent crosses that threshold, all bets are off...

28 posted on 06/21/2007 7:53:38 AM PDT by null and void (Tired of living in the shadows? Move to Sunny Mexico!)
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To: SmithL

One ping only Vasily..


29 posted on 06/21/2007 7:53:55 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: dakine

Nope, the submarine force is the only part of the Navy that is still all-men.


30 posted on 06/21/2007 7:54:09 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Mariner

My main idea is that you project power by protecting the Carrier. If you have SSGNs and a smaller SSN fleet you can smoke conventional Battle Groups that pair CV/Ns with Destroyers and only 2 SSNs


31 posted on 06/21/2007 7:55:13 AM PDT by SShultz460
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To: SShultz460
Some Russian-built boats come equipped with anti-aircraft missiles which makes this standard ASW tactic suicidal.

That's a myth. There is no way for a submarine to use such a missile without giving itself away, and that kind of defeats the purpose of the submarine in the first place.

32 posted on 06/21/2007 7:55:25 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: SShultz460

Sneak a few of these babies into the Caspian Sea ;o)


33 posted on 06/21/2007 7:56:14 AM PDT by blasater1960 (Rehavam Zeevi- HaShem Yikom Damo)
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To: TommyDale

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34 posted on 06/21/2007 7:57:54 AM PDT by SShultz460
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To: SShultz460

Can’t wait to see the submersible aircraft that go with them.


35 posted on 06/21/2007 7:58:03 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: RexBeach
So far as I know, new destroyers may be slower than WW2 counterparts. I believe Fletcher Class DDs were capable of speeds as high as 35 to 38 knots. I am correct on that?

They are slower, but they're better sea boats and more capable. And if you've got a missile chasing you then the fact that you only do 32 knots instead of 38 isn't going to matter much.

36 posted on 06/21/2007 7:58:04 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: SShultz460

Yeah, but they’re a PITA to upgrade...but that’s a submarine flaw in general...other than that though, they are great boats!


37 posted on 06/21/2007 7:58:59 AM PDT by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: blasater1960
again?
38 posted on 06/21/2007 8:01:29 AM PDT by SmithL (si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: SShultz460

A well defended carrier group is pretty formidable. Subs are part of that group.


39 posted on 06/21/2007 8:04:48 AM PDT by llevrok (I voted for George Bush - not Jorge Bushjoles!)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Geez, they had those back in the late 60's...

40 posted on 06/21/2007 8:05:02 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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