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Universal Health Care the 'Ultimate Prize' for Liberals
CNSNEWS.COM ^
| 6-19-2007
| Nathan Burchfiel
Posted on 06/19/2007 12:57:34 PM PDT by PR4MRC2007
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To: PR4MRC2007
They would like to control that 15% of the economy, unaware that they already run 80% of the economy including that 15%.
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posted on
06/19/2007 1:41:04 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Repeal the Treaty)
To: Jibaholic
I prefer the concept of paying one’s own way. Those who don’t take care of their own health or don’t pay for their own care should take what our society is willing to give them.
No one is put on ice floes. That is the kind of hyperbole liberals used to sell socialist schemes. That really irritates me.
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posted on
06/19/2007 1:41:17 PM PDT
by
TSchmereL
("Rust but terrify.")
To: mo
if they push this down our throats they better make it ONE system for all...all the teachers, and police and postal workers and any and all civil workers.....
I want us all to be miserable....If I have to be, then so does everybody....
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posted on
06/19/2007 1:46:40 PM PDT
by
cherry
To: webstersII
What have you been smoking? What has the govt ever done that was efficient? How about a military?
Take your ideas over to DU. Youll find them very popular over there.
I'm not a DU-type. I believe in that the Bible is the inerrant word of God. I also believe that free markets usually work better than government interference. But market failure really does happen sometimes, so government intervention shouldn't be rejected a priori. It is an empirical debate and the empirical evidence seems to favor unviersal health care.
I've only been posting to the Free Republic for about three years or so, but its never struck me as a place that does not tolerate dissent.
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posted on
06/19/2007 1:48:36 PM PDT
by
Jibaholic
(http://www.gentlerespect.com)
To: Brilliant
As with the current mess with immigration, you can lay the current mess in healthcare (such as it is) at the feet of one Sen. Edward Kennedy D-Mass.
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posted on
06/19/2007 1:52:55 PM PDT
by
Ouderkirk
(Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather.)
To: PR4MRC2007
AKA in Massachusetts as “Romney Care”
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posted on
06/19/2007 1:56:34 PM PDT
by
tiger-one
(The night has a thousand eyes)
To: TSchmereL
I prefer the concept of paying ones own way. That is good in theory, but it is not how even our current system works, because people who are 64 are put into risk pools with younger workers through their job. In other words, older workers are subsidized by younger workers. If there weren't age discrimination laws, then companies would not insure older workers and they really would have to pay their own way.
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posted on
06/19/2007 1:59:08 PM PDT
by
Jibaholic
(http://www.gentlerespect.com)
To: gpapa
Neah. We should implement the FairTax. But that is another thread...
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posted on
06/19/2007 2:00:08 PM PDT
by
Little Ray
(Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
To: PR4MRC2007
Andrea Batista Schlesinger, executive director of the liberal Drum Major Institute, encouraged conference-goers to stop dancing around the issue and be proud of the goal. "Damn straight it's [social] engineering," she said of policy proposals like universal health care. "That's the point of government."
WOW. Just wow. Little Hitlers like this are scary. Take your fascism and move to Iran, bitch.
To: Little Ray
Fair tax or flat tax. I’d take either if it simplifies the system.
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posted on
06/19/2007 2:01:29 PM PDT
by
gpapa
To: Jibaholic
Even the military isn’t THAT efficient. Take a look at military hospitals sometime.
And for a view of the future of healthcare under the auspices of the gub’mint, look at a Veteran’s Hospital...
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posted on
06/19/2007 2:02:06 PM PDT
by
Little Ray
(Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
To: PR4MRC2007
poll found that 53 percent of Americans "would be willing to pay higher taxes so that everyone can have health insurance."
Gee, imagine that.... Seems to make sense since ONLY THE OTHER 47 PERCENT PAY TAXES.
To: Little Ray
Even the military isnt THAT efficient. Neither are private businesses. Again, the central driving point that I am trying to make is that there are a priori reasons for and against government intervention on various issues, and the matter ultimately is an empirical issue. Europe's economic woes are generally a strong testimony to the fact that the private solutions are better. But health care is an exception.
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posted on
06/19/2007 2:05:47 PM PDT
by
Jibaholic
(http://www.gentlerespect.com)
To: TSchmereL
“I prefer the concept of paying ones own way. Those who dont take care of their own health or dont pay for their own care should take what our society is willing to give them.
No one is put on ice floes. That is the kind of hyperbole liberals used to sell socialist schemes. That really irritates me.”
Therein lies the problem. Nobody can truly pay their own way except for the very rich. And I agree that healthcare is not a “right”, maybe it is just the right thing to do.
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posted on
06/19/2007 2:09:21 PM PDT
by
DonaldC
To: cherry
if they push this down our throats they better make it ONE system for all...all the teachers, and police and postal workers and any and all civil workers..... ...and Senators and Representatives, even the President. But no, they have their golden parachute healthcare.
Let Senator Hillary and Rep. Pelosi set the example--take a number and stand in line!
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posted on
06/19/2007 2:18:00 PM PDT
by
pray4liberty
(http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
To: Jibaholic
I, (and a lot of other people here) dont support the free market because it works (even though Im glad it does). I support it because its the only moral economic system that allows trade without the use of force.
The only moral way you can have socialized health care is if you have a check box on your tax form that allowed the government to tax you more in return for getting in the system. (of course that would collapse in two seconds and I would have a good laugh)
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posted on
06/19/2007 2:27:53 PM PDT
by
Raymann
To: PR4MRC2007
The Left wants universal health care because it would suck the oxygen out of federal agencies/programs they consider “Evil”. #1 on their list is the DOD. After we finish paying for health care for every senior & illegal immigrant (or combination thereof), there will be no $$ left to pay for legimiate government, including the DOD, FBI, and Homeland Security (+ the Border Patrol).
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posted on
06/19/2007 2:28:16 PM PDT
by
rbg81
(DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
To: Jibaholic
You say, But health care is an exception. You sound like a nice man and some of your arguements seem plausable, could you give me an example where government health care is working well and isn’t killing the tax payer in the process?
Considering that the marginal tax rate in most socialist countries is over 65% this would seem to be a bit more that most of us , who pay taxes, are willing to afford.
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posted on
06/19/2007 2:31:48 PM PDT
by
JohnD9207
(Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
To: Jibaholic
Europe's economic woes are generally a strong testimony to the fact that the private solutions are better. But health care is an exception.
One thing that happens when the government takes over something is that the priorities of the system are driven by ideology, and not the desire to solve problems. The government will be more concerned about forcing doctors to live in South Dakota because that is what is right and not be practical in any sense. I worked for the Feds for 13 years as an engineer and politics bleeded down to the level that we were being lobbied by politicians about what manufacturer to use to change out a circuit breaker.
One thing that is true of all socialized medicine cases (care is free) is that the first thing to go is the infrastructure so that whatever the state the technology for an MRI is, that technology will freeze in time, i.e there will be no incentive to improve the MRI. If you look at all the socialized countries, except for in a few flagship hospitals, the technology they use today is the technology they had when socialized medicine was enacted.
That is why the US currently has all the latest technologies, because there is incentive to drive down costs and improve profits. With a government program the incentive is whatever the whim of the current government officials/bureacrats are without any regard to problem solving or improving efficiency or quality. Nothing could be further from a bureacratic's mind. Look what the CDC does with its money for example, building a new 100 million dollar visitor centers which noone uses (the existing one was only 11 years old).
To: PR4MRC2007
If anything can crush our economy/society faster than the open borders scheme this is it. Put them both together and this country doesn’t stand a chance.
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posted on
06/19/2007 2:46:41 PM PDT
by
TigersEye
(Hope and fear are two sides of a coin that bind you to worldly concerns. Render it unto the world.)
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