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Detroit hospital closing part of pattern
AP via Yahoo! News ^ | 6/10/07 | SVEN GUSTAFSON

Posted on 06/10/2007 11:26:49 AM PDT by libertarianPA

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21 posted on 06/10/2007 12:17:19 PM PDT by restornu
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To: alloysteel
Already there are walk-in clinics in Wal-Marts, and urgent-treatment centers that are free-standing apart from hospitals, where what once would have been an emergency-room visit, is now treated as a walk-in. These places are usually not recognized by insurance companies and certainly not by Medicare-Medicaid, because they are on a cash basis (or credit card), giving the urgent care, and sending you back to your personal physican with their recommendations, but their relationship pretty much ends when you leave the premises.

What I wonder is does HIPAA give these walk-in clinics, such as Wal-Mart, access to your medical information.

I have been to a walk-in clinic twice because it was a week-end and the second time was pretty interesting. After being asked what medication I was on and after providing that information I was asked to sign my name on the report that stated what I had said. When the Dr. came in and after he prescribed a medication I again had to sign.

I presume this is all about liability but from what. This particular clinic is a back-up for my regular physician.

I really resent having my Blood Pressure taken and having to provide a list of medications to my dentist. I have to do this every time I get my teeth cleaned. Then I have to attest to it by signing.

What is this signing all about? Why am I expected to provide it every time when HIPAA was suppose to be the answer to medical information regarding patients?

My regular Dr. does not request this stuff so I cannot decide if it is a requirement or something that these medical or so called medical people devised for themselves. Anyone know?

22 posted on 06/10/2007 12:18:36 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: libertarianPA

“The number of hospitals in the city has dwindled to seven or eight from 42 in 1960, said Alan Sager, director of the Health Reform Program at Boston University’s School of Public Health. Hospitals that are larger, have major medical school-affiliated teaching programs and more money in the bank tend to survive.”

Take away the emotion in this statement and you’re left with the business model, a parallel to Wal-Mart, CostCo, etc; this didn’t happen because this generation suddenly became poorer, sicker or blacker, it happened because the hospitals became larger, predatory, more impersonal and isolated.

Only the giants will be left, the fast-fading first-feeders frittering away millions on advertising and fund-raising until the last bolt in the last door is slammed shut.


23 posted on 06/10/2007 12:24:01 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: School of Rational Thought

It is just heart breaking oh how magnificent Detroit and its suburbs were in its day!

After the 1968 riots the city and free trade deals to underminding the auto industry it is like a skeleton of what it once was.


24 posted on 06/10/2007 12:24:20 PM PDT by restornu
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To: School of Rational Thought

Wow, with any luck you’ll miss the bucket full of bricks this time around.


25 posted on 06/10/2007 12:26:31 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: libertarianPA
There's the hidden elephant in the room: illegals sucking up medical services and paying nothing. Thanks to EMTALA, hospitals all over America are going bankrupt. And many more will go bankrupt and close their doors in the future if the politicians succeed in foisting amnesty upon the country. That comes with a huge price tag that endangers American lives. We stand duly warned.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

26 posted on 06/10/2007 12:27:01 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Snoopers-868th

Maybe it was inspired by the Joker when he inquired about Batman, “Where does he get those marvelous toys?!?”


27 posted on 06/10/2007 12:31:50 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: libertarianPA

Hospitals are losing money because of the patients who don’t pay and the paying patients who are tired of paying for those who don’t pay.
Liberals want privately-run hospitals to fail so that they can step up and say “we’ll save you, here is a national healthcare system”.


28 posted on 06/10/2007 12:31:56 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: restornu

What do you expect in a place so cold that the only way to stay alive nine months out of the year is to work yourself silly or burn the family Bible in the hearth and suddenly all the jobs are done by machines or simply disappear altogether.


29 posted on 06/10/2007 12:34:36 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

And Wisconsin Dems want to raise taxes on hospitals....
hold on to your aspirin in Michigan and Wisconsin too. Or move to Cuba, ehehehehe!


30 posted on 06/10/2007 12:36:54 PM PDT by tflabo (<p>)
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To: joe fonebone
hospitals.....farmers....auto companies...if you are so poor at running a business, then you deserve to go out of business....

The hospital might actually be pretty good... but if the Democrats have trashed the entire city - driving away the hard-working folks and encouraging the welfare-scum, well then it's no wonder the place will go bankrupt!

Detroit is just one of the first in a string of cities facing a similar fate.

Repeat after me... "Union YES!"

31 posted on 06/10/2007 12:45:11 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Snoopers-868th
"Why am I expected to provide it every time when HIPAA was suppose to be the answer to medical information regarding patients? "

Eh, eh. I spent 10 days at the hospital at Nellis AFB, NV recently. During that time, I must have been seen by 10 different doctors. Each one had me answer questions from the same form, sometimes 3 or more times a day.

I complain not. Medical care was excellent. Uncle Sam appreciates my contribution to my country.

yitbos

32 posted on 06/10/2007 1:07:53 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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To: Bon mots

That is the operative word UNION they ran Detoit DRY!

I was born in Detroit and raised East Detroit now called East Pointe and very few families live their now.

Gosh it was was full of hard working moral folks once!


33 posted on 06/10/2007 1:12:43 PM PDT by restornu
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To: bruinbirdman

Did you have to attest to what you said by signing?


34 posted on 06/10/2007 1:13:11 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: Old Professer

I think you are very close to correct in your observations. We discuss this daily at our institution. Hospitals do not work well in a for profit model. MD’s yes but hospitals no. They are the patients port of last resort. The not for profit model works if the money made (all institutions have to make a profit to survive) is reinvested in the hospital and not in buying up MD practices etc. and bonus’s to administrators. Dumping my for profits makes it very hard for the academic centers. They skim the cream and dump the buttermilk.


35 posted on 06/10/2007 1:14:15 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: denydenydeny
>"In Phoenix nearly every hospital is near insolvency because they are required by law to supply free healthcare to illegals.

Hey they're just bankrupting the hospitals that Americans dont want to bankrupt!

36 posted on 06/10/2007 1:53:36 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (The liberty we prize is not America’s gift to the world, it is God’s gift to humanity.”GWB-03)
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To: libertarianPA
they need to put a trial lawyer like Edwards in charge of medical care. Lets see what lawyers and bureaucrats can do to "fix" the problem.

What's really neat is that the socialistic democrat strongholds seem to be the areas most affected.

Atlas shrugged..

37 posted on 06/10/2007 3:22:10 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: restornu
After the 1968 riots the city and free trade deals to underminding the auto industry it is like a skeleton of what it once was.

free trade has squat to do with the demise of Detroit....

If you think it's "free trade", go to a bank borrow some money and open up a "business" downtown Detroit in something that will take advantage of "free trade". Let's see how many weeks it takes for you to pack up and leave.

High taxes, no rule of law, class warfare, criminal protection, race protection rackets, union thuggery, and on and on....

If Detroit fell off the face of the earth we'd be better off and could start your beloved auto makers company in the non union south or west.

38 posted on 06/10/2007 3:32:55 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: libertarianPA

Rust-belt states (Penn in particular) are known to be anti-doctor. Doctors educated in these states are in a hurry to leave. People want to have their doctors, and eat them, too—else why would they elect crooks like Rendell?


39 posted on 06/10/2007 3:35:31 PM PDT by Mamzelle ("Mr. Elite Pro-Amnesty Republican--has your family ever employed illegal labor?")
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To: Dick Vomer

You drop off the face of the earth beast!


40 posted on 06/10/2007 3:36:53 PM PDT by restornu
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