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Detroit hospital closing part of pattern
AP via Yahoo! News ^ | 6/10/07 | SVEN GUSTAFSON

Posted on 06/10/2007 11:26:49 AM PDT by libertarianPA

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The number of hospitals in the city has dwindled to seven or eight from 42 in 1960

What's changed since 1960? More health choices for the consumer, or more government?

Medicare payments to hospitals averaged 92 cents for every dollar spent providing care in 2005, the most recent figures available, according to the American Hospital Association. Medicaid's reimbursement rate was lower, at 87 cents per dollar.

Obviously it's time to raise taxes so both of these wonderful bureacracies can cover 100% of the cost and take away all responsibility from the consumer.
1 posted on 06/10/2007 11:26:50 AM PDT by libertarianPA
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To: libertarianPA
Crime is a part of this too, IMO.

It costs money to treat gunshot wounds and such.

2 posted on 06/10/2007 11:31:09 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: libertarianPA

Actually they should close Detroit St. Louis, Philadelphia and Cleveland.


3 posted on 06/10/2007 11:32:05 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: libertarianPA

What was the population of Detriot in 1960?

What is it now?


4 posted on 06/10/2007 11:33:09 AM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Also emergency room use is abused. People without insurance, legal or otherwise, go there for convenience and KNOW they will not be turned away.
5 posted on 06/10/2007 11:42:30 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: libertarianPA

hospitals.....farmers....auto companies...if you are so poor at running a business, then you deserve to go out of business....


6 posted on 06/10/2007 11:50:11 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Nothin' from Nothin' leaves Nothin')
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To: libertarianPA
You forget the malpractice insurance rates which have skyrocketed in the past decades (thanks Edwards!)....
7 posted on 06/10/2007 11:52:55 AM PDT by rxgalfl
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To: libertarianPA

The pattern of delivery of health and medical services to consumers (patients) will alter tremendously over the next decade.

Already there are walk-in clinics in Wal-Marts, and urgent-treatment centers that are free-standing apart from hospitals, where what once would have been an emergency-room visit, is now treated as a walk-in. These places are usually not recognized by insurance companies and certainly not by Medicare-Medicaid, because they are on a cash basis (or credit card), giving the urgent care, and sending you back to your personal physican with their recommendations, but their relationship pretty much ends when you leave the premises.

What this amounts to, is the availability of care based on the ability to pay, a most personally responsible manner at which to look at delivery of medical services.

Sure, this urgent care costs a lot when it is called upon. Emergency room care costs a lot too, but this way, the care is rationed only dependent upon your ability to pay. The thing is, they will look at you without sending you through triage first.

After all, what is your time worth?


8 posted on 06/10/2007 11:55:13 AM PDT by alloysteel (Choose carefully the hill you would die upon. For if you win, the view is magnificent.)
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hospitals.....farmers....auto companies...if you are so poor at running a business, then you deserve to go out of business.... Not exactly a fair comparison, farmers and auto companies are not required by law to give their services to people that they know can't pay.
9 posted on 06/10/2007 11:55:25 AM PDT by Lost Dutchman (If you’re going to call Islam a religion can we now call Auschwitz a theme park?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Crime and obesity/diabetes. Those two do it. Diabetics have some of the most uncooperative wounds, the longest healing times, the most complications—not to mention a high rate of other problems. Given the high inicidence of it in blacks and how prone to violence that community is and the minute emphasis on education, well, this is what you get.

I’m in Memphis it’s what you see here. At least three shootings last night. No one wears a seatbelt. Few pay for their care. Almost all are obese or gangsters. Sad state of affairs.


10 posted on 06/10/2007 11:55:30 AM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: patton

It was nearly 2 million in ‘50-’60, and is down to below 900k today. Ain’t communism grand ?


11 posted on 06/10/2007 11:56:04 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~)
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The latest estimate I could find was 835k.

Yet they have no clue...


12 posted on 06/10/2007 11:57:41 AM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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and it isn't happening in Phoenix, Arizona, where they can't build hospitals fast enough,"

Not true. In Phoenix nearly every hospital is near insolvency because they are required by law to supply free healthcare to illegals.

13 posted on 06/10/2007 12:00:41 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: nmh

I agree and many use the taxi-cab service called EMT.


14 posted on 06/10/2007 12:03:29 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: patton

Census estimate for 2005 was 887k, down 65k since 2000 (and I wouldn’t be surprised if those numbers were padded). It’s amazing it hasn’t plummetted to the degree some were estimating (with a levelling off at around maybe 300k by 2030 or so). It’s not just that Detroit lost so many people, but that it lost virtually all its Whites and the Black middle class. Detroit was a majority-White (and Republican !) city until a few decades ago. Hard to believe it ever was.


15 posted on 06/10/2007 12:06:25 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~)
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To: patton

As a Detroiter who has recently moved to Philly, I must they don’t belong in the same breath. Philly is a huge improvement over Detroit.


16 posted on 06/10/2007 12:06:59 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Too principled to support Bush)
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To: patton

As a Detroiter who has recently moved to Philly, I must they don’t belong in the same breath. Philly is a huge improvement over Detroit.


17 posted on 06/10/2007 12:07:07 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Too principled to support Bush)
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The pattern is clear. We are growing a third world nation within the inner cities and legally mandated to provide million dollar care for these individuals. The hospital have to close.
18 posted on 06/10/2007 12:10:01 PM PDT by pterional
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To: School of Rational Thought

Hey, I have a question - last time I was in Detroit, there was a raodsign that said “Police Entrapment Zone”

What in heavens does that mean?


19 posted on 06/10/2007 12:13:36 PM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: Lost Dutchman

true, i stand corrected on these points...however, the feds do pay farmers not to grow crops...and the only broke farmers i know are ones with IQ’s below 6.........


20 posted on 06/10/2007 12:16:01 PM PDT by joe fonebone (Nothin' from Nothin' leaves Nothin')
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