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Think Political Parties Are Destroying America? Thank the 17th Amendment! by Todd Huston
The New Media Journal ^ | 5 june 2007 | Todd Huston

Posted on 06/05/2007 10:55:19 AM PDT by K-oneTexas

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To: onedoug

ping


41 posted on 06/05/2007 12:20:01 PM PDT by windcliff
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To: oblomov
"The 14th Amendment also lead to a hyperexpansive interpretation of the Commerce Clause."

How so?

42 posted on 06/05/2007 12:21:52 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Lurker

But if we repealed it now, the Senate would lurch left.


43 posted on 06/05/2007 12:29:57 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: sand88

It still has to pass the Senate though.


44 posted on 06/05/2007 12:33:57 PM PDT by fix
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To: windcliff; K-oneTexas
This is one of the reasons FR exists.

'Works for me. Thanks, K

w, You were right. Didn't I say though I thought is was through the amendment process? It was bad. It was very bad. It should be sent to the cornfield.

45 posted on 06/05/2007 12:34:16 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: oblomov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark

As with all Wikipedia articles, do additional reading to protect yourself from any bias that might be in the article. The article has some external links at the bottom.

46 posted on 06/05/2007 12:38:57 PM PDT by Cheburashka (DUmmieland = Opus Dopium. In all senses of the word dope.)
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To: nickcarraway
But if we repealed it now, the Senate would lurch left.

You're right. They'd probably come up with some stupid Bill promising amnesty to 20 million illegal aliens or try to defund the Iraq war or something.

L

47 posted on 06/05/2007 12:39:53 PM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to plague.)
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To: K-oneTexas
The 17th is the single worst Constitutional Amendment every ratified. Bar none.

That assertion could lead to a fiery debate.I think the 16th -19th are all contenders,with the 14th not far behind.Of course the 18th was repealed,and the 19th should have been part of the repeal package.I don't know what was in the water during that decade.The 19th aqmendment is the one i would overturn if I had my way,even over the income tax.Women and government mix like oil and water."Welcome to kindergarden" is what signs should say greeting visitors to this country.

First the government convinced women to go out and compete against their husbands in the work place,and now we face the specter of federal government officials wasting our time and money discussing "the children".Repeal the 19th amendment!

48 posted on 06/05/2007 12:44:51 PM PDT by hschliemann
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To: K-oneTexas

Good article. I am also a very strong supporter of term limits for ALL elected offices and use of staff/office to seek re-election should be prohibited.


49 posted on 06/05/2007 12:49:29 PM PDT by KEmom (Please send viable Republican candidates to Massachusetts!!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Off the top of my head, anything past the 10th was a bad idea...

The Bill of Rights itself was hotly debated during the convention and ratifying process.I think we'd have been better off without it.Why,for example,would we prohibit the government from doing what it hasn't the power to do?This could only lead to the assertion that the government has powers that are not explicitly stated in the constitution.And so it has...

Had no other enumeration or definition of the powers of the Congress been found in the Constitution, than the general expressions just cited, the authors of the objection might have had some color for it; though it would have been difficult to find a reason for so awkward a form of describing an authority to legislate in all possible cases. A power to destroy the freedom of the press, the trial by jury, or even to regulate the course of descents, or the forms of conveyances, must be very singularly expressed by the terms "to raise money for the general welfare."Federalist # 41 Madison

50 posted on 06/05/2007 12:57:28 PM PDT by hschliemann
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To: hschliemann

You sure you’re a conservative?


51 posted on 06/05/2007 12:58:22 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: hschliemann
Women and government mix like oil and water."

I read an interesting paper years ago that said that it would be wise for women not to vote. It basically present these aruguments. Government is at its core, an instrument of force, best suited for mostly it's primary role, collective self defense (in an utterly brutal manner if needed). Men have traditionally been the warriors.

Women by nature, are nurturing. As such, if women start to gain power (say) over policy, they will try and make government do nurturing tasks. The result is an ever growing government taking aways functions of the marketplace. He stated the end result would be a slow decline due to Socialism being imposed. He stated that women and society would benefit if women didn't vote. I wish I could remember the author. It was from many decades ago (before PC)[Note: these are not my thoughts, just relaying what I read :) ]

52 posted on 06/05/2007 12:58:31 PM PDT by sand88 (q)
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To: oblomov
good summary.. thanks. It is depressing how the socialist mindset has so messed up our Republic through these destructive anti-Liberty Amendments.
53 posted on 06/05/2007 1:01:26 PM PDT by sand88 (q)
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To: MarkL
I've long said to anyone who'll listen, that the 17th Amendment was the worst things ever done to the Constitution. The last thing that the founders wanted was delivering a democracy, which is why they designed the government so that only 1 of the 3 branches were to be democratically elected. The 17th means that 2/3s of the government is now democratically elected.

Thank you for the most cogent response so far on this thread. Exactly right. Our Founders has great distrust of democracies. Madison has some very devastating critiques of democracies. It is a shame how the public schools have indoctrinated so many against liberty and limited government.

54 posted on 06/05/2007 1:04:12 PM PDT by sand88 (q)
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To: sand88
"A Convention for Proposing Amendments...as Part of This Constitution"
55 posted on 06/05/2007 1:10:38 PM PDT by Publius (A = A)
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To: K-oneTexas

bump for later reading.


56 posted on 06/05/2007 1:10:48 PM PDT by MissouriConservative (We accommodate other cultures at the expense of ours.)
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To: Teacher317
An interesting note:

In his first State of the Union message in December 1829, Andrew Jackson asked Congress to send 3 constitutional amendments to the states for ratification.

  1. The word "republic" was to be replaced by the word "democracy".
  2. The Electoral College was to be abolished, and the president was to be elected by direct popular vote.
  3. The practice of selecting senators by state legislature was to be replaced by the direct election of senators.

None of Jackson's proposed amendments made it through Congress.

It should be noted that these ideas were percolating within government long before Debs.

57 posted on 06/05/2007 1:18:14 PM PDT by Publius (A = A)
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To: Publius
thanks for the link, quite interesting. a keeper. Our Framers were so wise... It's amazing how in this great land, we elect a Congress filled mostly with contemptible souls. I guess since government is so dominating in our lives, it attracts control freaks. Our Founders wanted government to be minimal. Our society would be more civil and prosperous for sure.

I always tell people that if we had a government that our Founders intended, we would be taking vacations on Mars; meaning true capitalism would have flourished, allowing so much more creative energy to surface. Instead, we have a decaying Republic, controlled at all levels by petty bureaucrats who are more concerned with making everyone's lives miserable and poorer.
58 posted on 06/05/2007 1:18:28 PM PDT by sand88 (q)
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To: K-oneTexas

and on top of this, I think one of the dumbest things that happened was the changes to the primary system, that took the nominations out of the “smoke filled rooms” and put them in the public’s hand. The only ones that have won from that mess are the media and advertisers.


59 posted on 06/05/2007 1:22:42 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am not from Vermont. I lived there for four years and that was enough.)
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To: Lurker
Just because they are bad now, doesn't mean they couldn't be worse. Do you honestly believe that state legislators would ever pick someone more conservative than the pub;lic? Impossible.
60 posted on 06/05/2007 1:24:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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