Posted on 05/16/2007 7:52:39 AM PDT by E Rocc
Police can take you into custody for nothing? You mean that you don't have to actually break a law? They can beat you because you annoy them? And you're ok with this?
Btw, we have a police chief in the family. He's never arrested anyone or beaten them for annoying him.
Yes. That’s exactly what I mean. They do have to charge you to hold you. What? Do you think when the cops are chasing down a suspect they have an ADA shouting out the charges from a megaphone, complete with “Party of the First Part”s?
And your ham-fisted use of strawmen is not helping your case.
Strawman? Facts are a strawman? You have to actually break a law and be charged. This man was never charged with anything. This isn't Hitlers Germany. Asking questions is not probable cause.
They do have to charge you to hold you.
England was never charged. How can you believe that beating was justified when there were NEVER any charges?
While I don't agree with their treatment Sgt. England, I expect that a review of the tape will exonerate them of wrongdoing.
Regards,
GtG
From all info I gathered so far: He mistakenly thought he could bring in a soda bought AT the airport when he could not. TSA told him he was wrong and the supervisor told him she outranked him. He wanted to see military ID which makes sense.
In the video: You can see him talking to the officers. He does NOT have any threating posture towards them and is NOT raising his hands or making any gesturing moves.
The security tape out of sight is to grainy to ‘really’ determine what happened for sure. However, the cop does seem to spin around and start beating him out of the blue.
Now, he might have said something to start it but it still is unnecessary force. The guy complied with all orders given to that point.
And that he hasn’t been charged with anything so far should tell us ‘something’!.
watch the first video in post# 16
Again, very slowly, you can be arrested without being charged. Show me where they held him in jail without charges. The trial comes later, son. It’s the thingy with the judge.
Heh heh heh.
In the video I saw there was no attempt by this guy to fight back and when he was tasered (after being hit by the night stick and still not resisting), he was standing in front of both fat guys with his arms crossed.
I hope he sues the heck out of them.......
Nobody likes to have their authority questioned which is exactly what happened with the TSA Supervisor when England requested to speak with his boss. The Supervisor could have avoided all this furor had he simply taken England to his manager's office and let him difuse the situation. That is what managers are for.......
Are you one of those that believe cops are perfect and never human?
Al Qaeda has zero chance of taking over Iraq. Some Islamist group will, but certainly not a tiny foreign minority within the Sunni minority. In fact, the last person you want to be when America pulls out of Iraq is a foreign Sunni militant.
Really? I think she was probably being snarky to his "Do you know who I am?" type of behavior. The fact is, in the civilian airport, she does outrank him.
I read the article with a cynical eye and I was picking out little things in his story, but what really killed his case is that he admitted to being told to get on the ground and admitted to not being on the ground later. The only thing that's keeping him from having a criminal record is that the cops went WAY overboard and weren't satisfied just to handcuff him and let him stew in a corner of the airport.
I believe that to be debatable given what I've read here.
Do you have any comments on the subject of the thread?
At which stage? At some point it was "resisting arrest."
Did you watch link 16.
The surveillance footage can be subpoenaed by the court when England sues.
I called it "Air Club for Men (and Women)".
It would be like membership-only retail stores, only it would be an airline that we could join, be prescreened and have its own bio-related memebership ID.
If some airline doesn't go this route, the airlines are going to see a decline as people opt to arrange their lives (Via computer and other choices for transportation) in ways to avoid these insults.
Yes, I made them and you went into a tizzy of demonstrably false statements that aren't worth a drop of American blood. In the meantime we are shredding the Constitution and all you idiots care about is following Bush's failed strategy into the abyss. I'm all for killing our enemies but this administration is a complete disaster by any standard, certainly by conservative standards. TSA is just one of many examples of pathetic policy.
Sorry but you are wrong- we must resist a police state.
It's mutual assured destruction. If he sues, they'll charge him. He will be convicted (although it is unlikely that he'll serve jail time or even pay a fine) and he'll have a criminal record.
If you want to talk about annoyed, I was annoyed by the fact that all of the critical information (his use of profanity, his "rolling of the shoulder", his "one or two beers") came at the end of the story.
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