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Egyptians, not Greeks were true fathers of medicine
EurekaAlert.org ^ | 5-9-07 | Aeron Haworth

Posted on 05/11/2007 6:19:24 AM PDT by Renfield

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To: wideawake
Oh thou severe advanced case of dodo-ism! You put a dressing on it! Fer crine oud loud! You don't just slobber it on there! Sheesh!

Nurse, there's something wrong with the patient in 103!

What seems to be the problem!

Well, he's attracted a swarm!

You say that like it's a bad thing ....

21 posted on 05/11/2007 8:23:07 AM PDT by Mad Dawg ( St. Michael: By the power of God, fight with us!)
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To: Mad Dawg
Wow! That was the original Bumper Crop.

(Where on earth did you put it all?)

Did you do any fancy comb, or just extract it all? I have some old-fashioned fancy comb frames stashed away somewhere, but I only used them once. Too fiddly and too much trouble, and I prefer the liquid honey anyhow.

The mites are quite a problem now, I think they reduce the hive yields. But we're using a Russian queen (boy was she pricey!) as well as the special bottom boards and the miticide in the off season. Seems to be working pretty well.

22 posted on 05/11/2007 8:24:09 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Lokibob

LOL, Ouch!


23 posted on 05/11/2007 8:25:52 AM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I did some fancy comb but nobody bought it, and it's hard to keep.

I sold most of the honey. I bought about 20 5 gallon containers and a zillion bottles and honey bears. I had a wonderful place to work in an old school house on what has been a small plantation. My extractor was on one level so the honey flowed into this huge long tray thing that the uncapped combs dripped into. And the tray was high enough so that I could put a five gallon container under the spigot at the end. It was really fun. People who haven't farmed don't "get" the joy of the harvest. Surrounded by plenty! Wow! I probably lost money, but it was fun. I also made mead with honey and pear juice. It as actually good. Well, okay, drinkable. AWESOME bouquet!

24 posted on 05/11/2007 8:43:59 AM PDT by Mad Dawg ( St. Michael: By the power of God, fight with us!)
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To: Renfield; blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 24Karet; ...
Thanks Renfield. Berosus, could be an opportunity to talk about the Jew from Byblos. :')

I've seen a note about the ancient Egyptian use of crocodile dung for eye infections -- there's a naturally occurring antibiotic in the dung. Think it was a footnote in de Selincourt's translation of Herodotus. I would guess that the properties were discovered because crocs' eyes stick up above the surface, it was magical thinking that happened to work out.

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25 posted on 05/11/2007 9:24:30 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 10, 2007.)
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To: Berosus

Due to a network error, I had to start the message almost from scratch, and neglected to include you in the “to” field.

Berosus, could be an opportunity to talk about the Jew from Byblos. :’)


26 posted on 05/11/2007 9:26:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 10, 2007.)
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To: SunkenCiv
This has been known for a long time. When I was in medical school back when Nixon was in the White House, we learned about the Ebers papyrus and the Edmund Smith papyrus which describe detailed anatomy, clinical presentations of various disease states and surgical procedures. The former describes circulation of the blood by the heart some 3200 years before William Harvey's supposed "discovery" of the same.
27 posted on 05/11/2007 9:39:18 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Tagline removed due to death threats)
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To: SunkenCiv
I don’t understand the breathless style of discovery in the article. Egyptian civilization was so much older than the Greek, of course they had medical practices predating the Greeks. Still, IMHO that doesn’t detract from Hippocrates’ accomplishments.
28 posted on 05/11/2007 9:47:39 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Mad Dawg
Nothing like getting in food you "made all by yourself" . . . with the help of a few hundred thousand bees . . .

We just filled all the spaghetti pots in our friends' kitchen - 18 frames (two supers) kept both families in honey all last year. Didn't sell any - we ate it ALL! Yum!

We made mead years ago, and it was o.k. but nothing to write home about.

29 posted on 05/11/2007 9:55:01 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Mad Dawg

“...My happiest year, 1983, was when I got over half a ton of honey! Tulip Poplar and white clover mostly....”

Lucky man! I’d love to have half-a-ton of honey. (I’d be in mead city....)


30 posted on 05/11/2007 10:12:17 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield

Recipes, give us recipes? Please?

I remember I did approx 2.5 gallons of pear juice, and honey cut with water, simmered before adding the pear juice, and i can’t remember that ratio of honey to water, then pitch with champagne yeast, let it ferment out, rack it three times at 6 month intervals (kept it in a cool cellar) then I put it in champagne bottles with like a half teaspoon of corn sugar for effervesences.


31 posted on 05/11/2007 11:24:57 AM PDT by Mad Dawg ( St. Michael: By the power of God, fight with us!)
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To: Mad Dawg

That recipe sounds pretty good, if you used bittersharp perry pears. If you used regular table pears (Bartlett, etc), it was probably pretty bland.

Light honey by itself ferments to a product with very little flavor. It needs something sour or bitter (or, preferably, both) to add flavor, body and mouthfeel. Tannins provide the latter (as well as certain proteins, but those are hard to add to mead). I have a friend who made some very good mead about 10 years ago, just by adding fresh lime juice to his honey before pitching the yeast. However, I suggest you investigate a drink called metheglin. It’s made from a mixture of apple juice and honey, and therefore, is a cross between mead and cider. The best metheglin will employ juice from apples with high tannin and acid contents; crabapples are very good for this puropose (in particular, the Hewes Virginia Crab and Whitney crab are stellar). My forte is beer, not mead (although this is largely due to lack of access to affordable honey), so I won’t give you any specific recipes, but if you look around on the internet I’m sure you’ll find many. You might also wish to join CAMRA (the Campaign for Real Ale), which has many members who also appreciate mead and cider; rubbing elbows with CAMRA folks will put you onto many leads.

Good luck to you.


32 posted on 05/11/2007 11:43:49 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield

placemark for later.


33 posted on 05/11/2007 11:46:26 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (tired of voting for the lesser of two evils)
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To: Lokibob

Just...damn.


34 posted on 05/11/2007 11:53:05 AM PDT by BJClinton (WWBJCD?)
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To: Renfield

This was back in the poverty-stricken, rugged, livin’ in the serious country days. The pears were windfalls from our neighbors huge venerable pear tree. This was just an opportunistic use of honey and pear juice. We weren’t going for great, we were going for tipple.


35 posted on 05/11/2007 12:43:24 PM PDT by Mad Dawg ( St. Michael: By the power of God, fight with us!)
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To: wideawake
If you want to make absolutely, positively sure that a wound will be infected - put some honey on it.

Wrong. Honey contains many powerful antibacterials. Just why did you think it doesn't spoil?

36 posted on 05/11/2007 12:57:21 PM PDT by null and void (The truth. It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution.)
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To: colorado tanker

“I don’t understand the breathless style of discovery in the article. Egyptian civilization was so much older than the Greek, of course they had medical practices predating the Greeks. Still, IMHO that doesn’t detract from Hippocrates’ accomplishments.”

Hey DAT yes you do... it is all about we of the West are Crap and the Islamofacist East is great..Actual historical timeliness and any relationship to contemporary Islam not required.

DAT frame of reference only.

Same principle applied to the Soviets and their “invincible T72” “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHWHjK2VsUo
“Target Cease Fire”
lol

W


37 posted on 05/11/2007 2:09:50 PM PDT by WLR
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To: WLR
I didn't take away from this that "Afrocentric history" nonsense, but you may be right.

DAT

Smile when you say that, pahdnuh. :-))

38 posted on 05/11/2007 2:22:54 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: WLR

Greece is arguably not Western.

Ancient Egypt had nothing to do with Islam.


39 posted on 05/11/2007 9:27:48 PM PDT by aristotleman (I actually hate philosophy >>this is my real name)
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To: colorado tanker

How does a DAT know he ran into a team of Highly Trained Operators?

By the number of wires in his tracks at the next at halt check...

W


40 posted on 05/12/2007 3:10:20 AM PDT by WLR
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