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They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious Bigotry, alive and well today
Saundra Duffy

Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy

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To: Netizen; tantiboh

hint hint tell me what goes on in the temple...

Why should you care Netizen, it seems you are only impertinently curious which the Lord frown upon that of behavior.


661 posted on 05/05/2007 8:14:03 PM PDT by restornu (Elevate Your Thoughts!)
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To: restornu; tantiboh

I only went and found that stuff because tantiboh was suggesting I lied or that the people I knew years ago had lied. Looks like others had the same non existent problem!


662 posted on 05/05/2007 8:18:37 PM PDT by Netizen (If we can't locate/deport illegals, how will we get them to come forward to pay their $3,250 fines?)
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To: George W. Bush

Have it your way. The Dems might not be so condescending.


663 posted on 05/05/2007 8:21:24 PM PDT by colorcountry (An Honest Man will change his thoughts to match the truth and a Dishonest Man will change the truth)
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To: restornu
it seems you are only impertinently curious which the Lord frown upon that of behavior.

You don't think the Lord frowns on churches that take advantage of poor people? What Celestial blessings do they lose by not paying their tithe and not being allowed to attend temple?

664 posted on 05/05/2007 8:21:51 PM PDT by Netizen (If we can't locate/deport illegals, how will we get them to come forward to pay their $3,250 fines?)
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To: Netizen

The secret handshakes are real. They are called ‘tokens.’ It is these sacred (secret tokens) that get you into heaven. But no need to believe me....cuz the Mormons Church is just another Christian Church. /sarc

They did remove the oaths to spill your bowels and slit your throat rather than expose the sacred (secrets) of the Temple ceremony back in 1990, but hey, that is just ancient history like denying black men the priesthood right?

Believe it or not!


665 posted on 05/05/2007 8:27:26 PM PDT by colorcountry (An Honest Man will change his thoughts to match the truth and a Dishonest Man will change the truth)
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To: George W. Bush

Zina Diantha Huntington.

Google it.


666 posted on 05/05/2007 8:30:46 PM PDT by colorcountry (An Honest Man will change his thoughts to match the truth and a Dishonest Man will change the truth)
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To: colorcountry

WOW and it’s post 666.

Gives me cold chills.


667 posted on 05/05/2007 8:35:12 PM PDT by colorcountry (An Honest Man will change his thoughts to match the truth and a Dishonest Man will change the truth)
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To: restornu; tantiboh; colorcountry
Geo shame on you to have such thoughts!

For what? Saying that we are the Grand Old Party, not some "Grand Old Plantation" where "Mormons Need Not Apply".

I was asserting, very strongly, that Mormons are full partners in the Party Of Reagan and should be treated as such. Theology is one thing, politics is another.

So I'm not apologizing for suggesting Mormons are full partners of the GOP and that a conservative Mormon should never be excluded from consideration merely on the grounds of religious bigotry and theological differences with the rest of the Religious Right. And, yes, Mormons can hardly be defined within the GOP without being included in the Religious Right even if it is rarely mentioned explicitly.

Geez, it's grating to admit that you guys are members of Our Club. I hope you're happy now.     ; )
668 posted on 05/05/2007 8:36:06 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP ÷ Rudi = Hillary)
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To: colorcountry

There seems to be a book out. The 4 Zinas.


669 posted on 05/05/2007 8:37:24 PM PDT by Netizen (If we can't locate/deport illegals, how will we get them to come forward to pay their $3,250 fines?)
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To: colorcountry
The exception to a rule does not actually prove anything.

Pretending that this Huntington woman was somehow your average Mormon woman who had opportunity to marry dozens of men at once is still just silly.

Zina had two husbands. Even Rudi's current wife can beat that! But don't vote for that leftwing mayor.
670 posted on 05/05/2007 8:42:35 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP ÷ Rudi = Hillary)
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To: George W. Bush

Zina had three husbands. There were more. I was simply pointing out an example. Isn’t that what you asked for? If not I apologize.

The Church as only recently admitted to this example.


671 posted on 05/05/2007 8:47:56 PM PDT by colorcountry (An Honest Man will change his thoughts to match the truth and a Dishonest Man will change the truth)
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To: colorcountry
Have it your way. The Dems might not be so condescending.

Tell me. Which of Zina's husbands (or how many of them) were empowered to name her in eternity as their wife? How precisely is that determined according to Temple doctrine?

You know, I don't even know why you want to go there. I don't. That's for the Smoky Backroom. [The question is rhetorical, I don't want an answer and I very much doubt you could provide one that wouldn't open up even more disputes and ridicule of Mormon theology.]
672 posted on 05/05/2007 9:01:34 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP ÷ Rudi = Hillary)
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To: Netizen; tantiboh
Mormons are told: “if a destitute family is faced with the decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing.” (Lynn Robbins, General Conference, April 2005).

No bishop, no missionary should ever hesitate or lack the faith to teach the law of tithing to the poor. The sentiment of “They can’t afford to” needs to be replaced with “They can’t afford not to.”

When one understands the need of tithing it is more than paying the money it is a way of keeping the Lord in one thought’s when they are tempted to live beyond their means.

You are forced to focus on the Lord and lean on him to build that spiritual muscle.

When one really ponders it, they are learning to make the mental transition of living in the Celestial kingdom someday.

If our thoughts are not bridled they will not instantly switch over after you die for it is a discipline.

So it is true “They can’t afford not to.” If is their goal is to live with Heavenly Father someday.

Mormons who have not paid tithing will be denied a temple recommend and will be considered “unworthy”. However; Mormons who pay “back-tithing” (some as much as $5000 or more) are instantly found to be worthy and can receive their temple recommends back once the money has been paid.

I have had a struggle with tithing early in my life and really never understood the full lessons to be learn from it, I just knew the precept but not understood the principal.

This year for the first time in my life I took the time to study it because I wanted to understand the law of consecration, which some LDS have been practicing this law on their own for years. As I studied it I realized right than that a even a poor person could not afford not to practice it.

I am the type of person that is motivated by the Lord to do things or I am not that much into it. I was watching the BYUTV online and one day there were these talks on the Law of consecration and I was pleasantly surprised to have a glimpse into that world enough to cause me to do research on it. It truly is a sacred ordinance and a bountiful blessing

Mormons who claim that tithing is purely “a personal choice” are deceiving themselves and outright lying.

Yes it is a personal thing because it is between you and your Lord and he knows our hearts and minds and that reasoning it is selfish etc.

Is there a level of poverty so low that sacrifice should not be expected or a family so destitute that paying tithing should cease to be required?

One reason the Lord illustrates doctrines with the most extreme circumstances is to eliminate excuses. If the Lord expects even the poorest widow to pay her mite, where does that leave all others who find that it is not convenient or easy to sacrifice?

No bishop, no missionary should ever hesitate or lack the faith to teach the law of tithing to the poor. The sentiment of “They can’t afford to” needs to be replaced with “They can’t afford not to.”

One of the first things a bishop must do to help the needy is ask them to pay their tithing. Like the widow, if a destitute family is faced with the decision of paying their tithing or eating, they should pay their tithing.

We are free agents and to decide hopefully it will be to keep one covenants they made with the Lord.

To think that the poorest can’t pay their tithing or starve is a myth for there is the Bishop storehouse which one can get food until they become solvent. This enables one to take the opportunity to learn how to walk with the lord yes some use it as a free ride but they will pay dearly in the end on judgment day if they did not grow like in the parable of the Ten Talents.

673 posted on 05/05/2007 9:03:40 PM PDT by restornu (Elevate Your Thoughts!)
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To: colorcountry
The Church as only recently admitted to this example.

If it was that much a Mormon secret, then how exactly could polyandry have have been a common practice?
674 posted on 05/05/2007 9:05:32 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP ÷ Rudi = Hillary)
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To: George W. Bush

You are right. It would open a can of worms.

I would assume the Prophet Joseph Smith would have the option of claiming her in the Celestial Kingdom. If he didn’t, then I suppose Prophet Brigham Young would be next in line, if he didn’t call her new name through the veil, then I suppose her first and legally married husband Henry Jacobs would have option to her.

But of course this hasn’t been hashed out in Mormon Doctrine. It is no different than if I am sealed to my husband, and my children are sealed to me, will they my daughters live in eternity with my husband and I, along with our parents and our in-laws, or will my daughters live with their husband’s parents, in-laws and cousins . . ad infinitum. Those questions cannot be answered.


675 posted on 05/05/2007 9:07:17 PM PDT by colorcountry (An Honest Man will change his thoughts to match the truth and a Dishonest Man will change the truth)
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To: George W. Bush

The same way polygamy was practiced in Mormonism from 1831 to 1852 without official proclamation, and public knowledge. In secret.

Polyandry was never widely practiced and you simply asked for examples that it WAS practiced. I have given you that example.


676 posted on 05/05/2007 9:09:40 PM PDT by colorcountry (An Honest Man will change his thoughts to match the truth and a Dishonest Man will change the truth)
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To: colorcountry; Netizen

You forget CC that at one time those who with Moses not all held the priesthood because the Lord was displeased with them.

That the Lord even withdrew the priesthood from the earth for over thousand of years.

And most of all CC, you forget the Priesthood belongs to the Lord and he will give it to whomever he pleases no matter how you try to spin this to put the Church in an unfavorable light!


677 posted on 05/05/2007 9:13:43 PM PDT by restornu (Elevate Your Thoughts!)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; Religion Moderator; needlenose_neely; Saundra Duffy
It is rude and childish to follow a poster from one thread to another. It is harassment. FR is for the enjoyment of all, DelphiUser, not just you. This isn’t your personal sandbox. Learn to play nicely and you’ll be better able to further your arguments.

Sorry, I was not pinged to this thread by Saundrea Duffy until it had almost 500 Posts on it, so I am still playing catch-up saw NNN here and said welcom, is that a problem?

I thought saying welcome was nice?
What did I do wrong?
678 posted on 05/05/2007 9:15:19 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: George W. Bush
While we're on the subject, this is a great pic of Romney and Robertson at Regent University yesterday. Great speech too.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/05/AR2007050501081.html


679 posted on 05/05/2007 9:19:52 PM PDT by sevenbak (A LIE travels around the world while the TRUTH is still putting on its boots -Winston Churchill)
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To: restornu

It is amazing how quickly civil rights actions goaded God into giving men with African descent the priesthood.

God indeed moves in mysterious ways. Civil and legal action against the Church also goaded God into ending the practice of polygamy.

Believe me resty, when it comes to Mormonism, it is simply very hard to forget these things.


680 posted on 05/05/2007 9:22:18 PM PDT by colorcountry (An Honest Man will change his thoughts to match the truth and a Dishonest Man will change the truth)
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