Posted on 04/21/2007 7:44:44 AM PDT by BnBlFlag
> what they are is FASCIST and they try to SILENCE everyone here who doesn’t agree with their REVISIONIST,”twisted, LEFTIST, bigoted agenda.” i will NOT be silenced, as long as they are allowed to assault others verbally and/or send out RACIST (especially ANTI-AmerIndian) e-mails to other FReepers (i have been “copied” on some & received others.).
No! Pleeeeeze! STOP! This is just too HELL FUNNY! No Fair, mate! It’s like being tickled too hard, beyond the point of being funny! STOPPIT I SAY!!! I’ll “have an accident” if you keep this up! I can’t breathe!!!
HAR HAR HAR! Crikey!
That makes no sense. The federal government was in possession of the fort and had title to it. The South Carolinians or Confederates were in the position of those coming over to "use" or "borrow" the fort, as for example, Castro would be if he wanted Guantanamo back and tried to take it. Your analogy isn't reasonable or sensible so you fall back on simple self-assertion and violence.
free dixie,sw
> check your mail.
Got it, thanks.
Check yours now, and stay in touch.
*DieHard*
free dixie,sw
First you can go back to the thread where this all started and link it here as proof of what I said in the first place.
Then you can remember that I never posted on this thread until you started personally attacking me without addressing me or attempting to contact me in order to attack me.
I stand behind everything I have said about the Confederacy, in fact I wore a confederate uniform long before you discovered your Southern heritage was a means by which you could belittle and attack real conservatives on this board.
I’ll say it again for the benefit of anyone that hasn’t heard it before, The Confederate flag is a symbol of a failed rebellion by The Democrats, it was the banner under which The Klu Klux Klan, a political terrorist organization created by Democrats killed republicans and terrorized Black people and it is the symbol of those racist laws created by Democrats in the south to prevent Republicans from getting votes from Black people. All these things are true and part of the history of the south and can and have been documented repeatedly to you and you continue to deny them.
Frankly STAND if you are the best of the best of the NEW CONFEDERACY UPRISING IN THE SOUTH THAT SEEKS TO ONCE AGAIN RIP THIS NATION INTO TWO, I have nothing to worry about, the Union is secure for another 200 years.
nobody here is attacking you personally. it is your DUMB-bunny attitudes, your LIES about the WBTS, the causes of the war, other FReepers & your seemingly total ignorance of the most basic FACTS about the WBTS, that are roundly despised & RIDICULED here on FR.
frankly, i also am bothered by your LYING about "working for the Confederate Museum" AND about your personal attacks on ME.
free dixie,sw
It’s an analogy. It’s not meant to be perfect but to illustrate.
What makes no sense is your comment above. Neither I nor the CSA “fell back on self-assertion (simple or otherwise) and violence” because of my analogy — as your comment states.
If you want to criticize someone I would suggest that your criticism make sense or else you’ll come off looking like an ass. But that's just me.
but then Ghost, you shouldn't expect much in the way of IQ/wit/knowledge from your correspondent, as he is a member in good-standing of "the DAMNyankee coven of lunatics, haters, weirdos,nitwits & bigots" after all.
free dixie,sw
STAND I got to know how many other threads have you attacked me on without the courtesy of pinging me to those threads?
I cannot believe that this is your first time, but I can believe that this is the first time anyone has alerted me to what you are doing.
Stop the attacks.
otoh, there are and always will be attacks on:
1. your knowing lies/deceptions,
2.arrogant ignorance,
3.bigotry,
4.mean-spiritedness &
5. hatred of dixie/the CSA/southerners,
until you change your comments about the CSA/battleflag/memorials/cemeteries/etc. (to something at least TRUTHFUL) and/or LEAVE FR, for good.
to all: the DYs on FR have lied about so many things/subjects, for so long, that they can't "keep their story straight", even "helping each other", by telling yet more lies.
it would have been better to have just told the truth, even when it made:
1. lincoln, the TYRANT, look like the cruel, cheap, scheming, politician that he demonstrably WAS ,
2.the war against dixie look like a war of conquest, rather than a "crusade against slavery" (which it NEVER was)&
3.the war against the CSA look like the NEEDLESS, complete, "waste" of a MILLION American lives, that it demonstrably was.
free dixie,sw
Lies all lies I never posted to you on this thread before you attacked me.
laughing AT you, "DUH, snake".
to ALL: anyone who believes ANYTHING spewed out onto the forum by ANY of the members of "The DAMNyankee coven of lunatics, haters, bigots, revisionists, leftists & FOOLS" is , to quote Judy K___________, "mentally challenged" and/or willfully blinded by PREJUDICE.
free dixie,sw
Yes you did, stop the personal attacks.
I don’t give two S#*%’s about the flag of the Democrat’s rebellion against this country.
Would you include things roughly 90 years older? Like the Constitution?? Or are you more selective of which parts of the "long dead past" you would keep?
History is history, warts and all. The absence of an honest study of our past increases the likelyhood we will repeat its worst moments.
an honest study???
An honest study, or looney tune revisionism and always blame others for your self created problems?
It is a fact that between the Yankee occupation and crooked judges my family lost over 90% of their land and considerable other assets in the 19th century, but I never had it to lose. It really doesn't affect me one way or the other. What I have I built from the ground up, thousands of miles from my childhood home.
What I do have is an historical heritage that goes back well before the Revolutionary War, and the only way that can be taken from me is to be slathered with the revisionist obscurity currently perpetrated by those who would rewrite history to find themselves blameless of any wrongdoing whatsoever and contend that the only reason for the War Between the States was the driving desire of one group of people to enslave another. What poppycock!
I find it even worse that that expunging hatred is taken out not on the political banner of that short-lived nation, but on the battle flag under which a multitude fought and often died defending things they found to be worth fighting for, from their homes to the guy next to them.
Like another group of people, they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor for their cause.
The only difference is that they lost.
It is no secret that the victors write the history books, but it is utter nonsense to even pretend that their viewpoint will not villify the defeated.
Hence, the enablement of a group of people who contend that the reason they cannot get their feces consolidated lies rooted in events which were before the lives of any of them, and that shifting of blame is displayed in their abject hatred of a piece of fabric.
If all the battle flags of the Confederacy were rounded up and burned, the statues torn down and crushed or hauled off for scrap, the last vestige of mention of any of the troops, from the lowliest recruit to the generals expunged from the nation's history, it would not make one whit of difference in the achievements or accomplishments of the allegedly agrieved group, and any honest person would admit as much. It is just another excuse, and in its absence there would be another found by those who refuse to achieve on their own.
My ancestors were butchered by the south who, if the south had had any morals at all, would have ended slavery themselves.
'The South' in its entirety, did not butcher anyone, individual soldiers, using rounds of cannister or grapeshot, minni balls from rifle and musket, shot and shell, and, even the sword and knives did the butchery, troops who were only trying to kill the enemy before the enemy killed them--an enemy who had invaded their borders set on mayhem and destruction.
Of the minority of southerners who owned slaves, it is a pity that the many former slaveowners who freed their slaves of their own volition during that era get no credit. Manumission was a trend gaining popularity even in the South. It is further a pity that the end of slavery (which was coming for economic as well as 'humanitarian' reasons) was not allowed to occur but militarily forced on the region.
New York had already recognized the economic benefits of hiring the incoming immigrants and letting them fend for themselves for food, shelter, and clothing from their wages, whereas an owner had to provide all that and medical care as well, whether the slave was capable of working or not (or lose their investment). It is no wonder the idea of owning your labor force was losing popularity.
This trend was also occuring in much of the south, although the distortions of history will not admit it. The Irish worked at the most hazardous jobs already because slave owners did not want to imperil those for whom they had a vested interest in their welfare.
Abuse was not as historically common as it has been made out to be, either, no more than people will buy a new vehicle and take a hammer to it, and many owners worked beside their few slaves in the field, instead of the popular misconception of sitting on the veranda drinking mint juleps or some such. The lives, fortunes, and welfare of the owners' and slaves' families were intertwined, and I know of at least one instance where the freed slaves requested that they be permitted to take the family's last name as a surname when they were freed. They were, and they did.
'Uncle Tom's Cabin' was, after all, a novel, given to the same sort of sensationalism novels are today. It also served as agitprop for the Abolitionist movement, whose members were as prone to hyperbole as any with a cause also are today.
Human nature has changed little, even if the trappings have.
Many of the owners who had freed their slaves also saw to their rudimentary education, some even gave them gifts of land, but with the military imposition of manumission, this could not occur.
That alone meant that the jobs held by many former slaves were much the same as the ones they had had before they were freed.
There are notable exceptions, George Washington Carver comes to mind, (with whom one of my ancestors exchanged cuttings and correspondance), but many fell by the wayside educationally, and their descendants continue to do so today, many of their own volition. Even with the questionable curriculum of the public school system, it is possible to gain sufficient education to continue on to college, even if the courses are taken at a junior college, even if only one or two a semester until some progress has been made.
I cannot assuage your feelings of anger over the fate of your ancestors, nor will I try.
I would just like to see this nation forego such a conflict again, and a study of all the causes of the war rather than the oversimplified "fought to free the slaves" version would help. If we are to cast history as a kindergardener's fable, we will likely suffer the results of our collective ignorance because we will be unable to avoid pitfalls which should have been obvious otherwise.
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