Posted on 04/19/2007 1:50:48 PM PDT by areafiftyone
Does it have to be though? Rudy is a very divisive figure. We appreciate the job he's done in NYC, but come on now. He's not presidential material, and those who are pushing him onto conservatives should know better.
More lib trolls bite the dust PING!!!
BTTT
You should be more stunned by the countless deaths of little babies than you are from a fight from those who stick up for their right to live. No violence from me. The violence is done to the unborn you wish to forget and wish people here to forget. We cannot, and we cannot give Rudy a pass.
B U M P
Go draw some pictures or something, Mr. Sore-Loserman.
Pro-Life Accomplishments: President George W. Bush 2001-Present
The promises of our Declaration of Independence are not just for the strong, the independent, or the healthy. They are for everyone -- including unborn children. We are a society with enough compassion and wealth and love to care for both mothers and their children, to see the promise and potential in every human life. -President George W. Bush
- During his first week in office, President Bush reinstated the Mexico City Policy, which prevents tax funds from being given to organizations that perform and promote abortion overseas. He threatened to veto an appropriations bill unless a provision overturning the policy was removed.
- President Bush declared that federal funds will not be used for stem cell research that would require the destruction of human embryos. His threat of a veto stopped an attempt in the U.S. Senate to provide funding for such research.
- President Bush has stopped many anti-life initiatives by threatening vetoes -- including proposals to allow abortion to be covered in federal employees health insurance plans, and allow abortions to be performed in U.S. military medical facilities and within the federal prison system.
- The Bush Administration ruled that federally controlled substances cannot be used to assist suicides. When the decision was overturned in federal district court, the Administration appealed the case.
- President Bush has strongly backed a U.S. ban on human cloning and helped defeat a clone and kill proposal in 2001.
- President Bush has helped win U.S. House approval of pro-life measures including the Child Custody Protection Act and the Abortion Non-Discrimination Act.
- President Bush promoted and signed the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which protects all infants born alive, including those who survive abortion.
- The Bush Administrations representatives to the United Nations and to UN meetings and conferences have fought repeated efforts to establish an international right to abortion.
- President Bush supported and signed into law the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, which recognizes unborn children as victims of violent federal crimes.
- President Bush promoted and signed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, which bans the use of the gruesome partial-birth abortion procedure.
- President Bush appointed two pro-life Supreme Court Justices. Both were instrumental in upholding the ban against Partial Birth Abortion and will provide solid pro-life rulings for years to come.
Good job!
[GEORGE] WILL: Is your support of partial birth abortion firm?
Mayor GIULIANI: All of my positions are firm. I have strong viewpoints. I express them. And I--I do not think that it makes sense to be changing your position....
ABC News February 6, 2000
TUCHMAN: Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports.
GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.
- CNN December 2, 1999
MR. RUSSERT: A banning of late-term abortions, so-called partial-birth abortions--you're against that?
MAYOR GIULIANI: I'm against it in New York, because in New York...
MR. RUSSERT: Well, if you were a senator, would you vote with the president or against the president? [Note: President Clinton was in office in 2000]
MAYOR GIULIANI: I would vote to preserve the option for women. I think that choice is a very difficult one. It's a very, very--it's one in which people of conscious have very, very different opinions. I think the better thing for America to do is to leave that choice to the woman, because it affects her probably more than anyone else....
MR. RUSSERT: So you won't change your view on late-term abortion in order to get the Conservative Party endorsement?
MAYOR GIULIANI: It isn't just that. We shouldn't limit this to one issue. I'm generally not going to change my views
- NBC Meet the Press, February 6, 2000
JimRob’s kicking tail here!
Giuliani, in his extremely brief statement about the SC decision, implies that the Partial Birth Abortion ban is constitutional - and that's why he agrees with the decision. He does not say that he agrees with the ban itself. He doesn't say why he disagrees with the ban, and it isn't because it is unconstitutional, but because he actually supports partial birth abortion along with every other form of abortion on demand. He has said that he supports partial birth abortion as recently as 2000 as my last post points out in detail.
If he's slightly altered the wording of his support for abortion, it is simply because his focus-grouped, carefully packaged by political consultant, campaignspeak he's using to fool Republicans into voting for him demands it. He hasn't changed his position on anything - and he said he never would - he's just changed the way he markets his odius liberal views.
Dang, and I just donated more than usual. Live and learn! I am still going to support Rudy Giuliani so if you want to cancel me, go for it. I don’t really care to be a part of a forum that is as dictatorial as this one has become. I am a pro-life, 2nd amendment conservative Republican who is proud to support my candidate but will vote for my party’s nominee, even if I can’t stand him. You can tout conservatism all day long, but the Republican party is the ONLY party who can put those conservative values into action. So, I don’t understand why some here say this is a “conservative” forum not a REPUBLICAN forum. My mistake in thinking any conservative Republican would be welcome here.
These Rudy fistfights are a waste of time. We need to be fine-tuning conservative, individual right positions and attracting fence sitters to our side.
One of the biggest changes in our population has been the big increase in home ownership. Every anti-Kelo state proposition passed by big numbers this past election.
By relating to these people and showing them that the rats are opposed to private property, we stand a good chance to attract these new homeowners to the small govrenment side.
We need to be discussing ideas and strategies in areas such as this, rather than punching each other in the nose.
Which is why I said “the area” in a mischeivous way.
No sane "conservative" Republican would support a pro-abortionist, pro-gun grabbing, pro-gay marriage, pro-gay military, pro-big government, pro-authoritarian, pro-partial birth abortion, pro-illegal alien, draft-dodging serial adulterer liberal northeast lawyer like Rudy Giuliani.
"They say you don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off an 'ole Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim"
Ya'd think some people would take the hint..FGS.
sw
“No sane “conservative” Republican would support a pro-abortionist, pro-gun grabbing, pro-gay marriage, pro-gay military, pro-big government, pro-authoritarian, pro-partial birth abortion, pro-illegal alien, draft-dodging serial adulterer liberal northeast lawyer like Rudy Giuliani.”
That was all inclusive allright!!
B U M P
Someone should tell the “true conservatives” here. :)
You mean more conservative Republicans who don’t agree with you on every single issue PING. When all of us are gone, I hope there will be enough of you to sustain this forum.
The conservatives in the party are ready and willing to accept a compromise, moderate Republican candidate like Fred Thompson for the sake of the coalition. It is the extreme liberals in the party (the pro-abortionists, etc) who are absolutely refusing to budge and are insisting that their far liberal candidate be supported. If the conservatives in the party were being as unreasonable as the liberals, we'd all be insisting on Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo. But the polls show that we're ready to jump on the Thompson train. How come the social liberals in the party refuse to come our way even a little bit. Stop denigrating the "true conservatives" when it is the "true liberals" who are going to lose this next election with their refusal to see reason.
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