Posted on 04/12/2007 9:34:54 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
your namesake was a REAL lady!!!
free dixie,sw
fyi, that's why, every day, evermore southerners become SOUTHRON & seek our FREEDOM from the LIB northeast.
many of us have come to the SAD conclusion (in my case after having worn the army uniform of the USA for almost 3 decades!)that there is NO OTHER moral/honorable choice but LIBERTY for dixie. we'll happily take a "no fault divorce" & let the rest of the country become the LEFTIST, IMPERIALIST, NANNY-state that they seem to desire.
imVho,
1.Quebec will remove itself from Canada to become Le Republicque be Quebecois in this decade,
2. AZ,CA,CO,OR,NM,NV & WA will leave the USA to become Los Estados Unidos de Azatlan within my lifetime &
3. dixie FREEDOM will peacefully follow & a NEW & MUCH improved dixie REPUBLIC will be founded within a few years after that.
there is plenty of room for SIX free nations in North America.
imVho, everyone will be HAPPIER, after the "realignment". (for one thing the "Socialist Republic of DAMNyankeeland" will be the sort of "Big Brother, cradle to grave, SOCIALIST state" that so many LEFTISTS "up there" seem to want, NOW.)
free dixie,sw
Wouldn’t that be a trip.
This sounds like a lame excuse for failure.
"Crowns of Thorns and Glory" was a split view of the two ladies and IMHO Van der Heuvel spent far more time on Mrs. Lincoln than Mrs. Davis, possibly because she was the better documented of the two. In any event, I believe Varina Davis has deserved a biography of her own for some time, and I think it's hard to say Ms. Cashin has an agenda with so little other work on Mrs. Davis to compare her two. Her husband's biographers have all noted the long separations between the two without delving into the why. Ms. Cashin attempts to do that.
Hello Non, while I do believe there was a definite strain between Jefferson and Varina in their later days (and why not, with a war, death of children, constant moves and prison), I think they were devoted to the end. And she certainly was, taking up the cause to free her husband at great sacrifice.
Perhaps “agenda” was the wrong term. But I do think Cashin embellished on the problems the Davises incurred.
everyone cannot be NUMBER ONE. furthermore, all anyone can ask of a man in a position of power is to do his best. his best was what Jeff Davis did, which puts him FAR above lincoln, the TYRANT & DESTROYER of liberty/the Constitution.
therefore, your post is SILLY.
free dixie,sw
nonetheless, i believe my 16YO niece will live to breathe FREE dixie air in a new & MUCH improved dixie republic, without:
abortion on demand,
"gun control",
"social programs",
massive ILLEGAL immigration,
high taxes,
"federal intervention" in her everyday life as a citizen
AND
that she will be HAPPY in that new state of LIBERTY.
free dixie,sw
free dixie,sw
Um, maybe I’m missing something. If historians consider him to be one of the best ‘American’ leaders (cough, cough), and he lost to PRESIDENT LINCOLN, than your overall theory is really, really bad.
See, in the horrible northeast brainwashing university from which I was graduated, I was forced to take 3 philosophy courses. The first was LOGIC. So my post is silly? HA!! From what I’ve read, you’ve got me beat by several hundred.
That’s pleasant, I hope the south is generous enough to share its victory with all of us.
Good point, sw.
1."peasant revolts" seldom succeed (that is what the WBTS was. the CSA forces were MOSTLY "peasants" led by a FEW professionals like Lee, Jackson & Stuart.), no matter how just their cause to revolt.
NOTE: my ancestor could not read/write in English (though he was fluent in Tsalagiyi), was a "person other than white" and was a "small-holder" with few $$$$ in his pockets,but he understood & DESIRED freedom from OPPRESSION by a faraway government, which he believed (correctly!) was NOT acting in his interest & was likely to become MORE coercive in the future. "Little Thunder was quite TYPICAL of the AVERAGE CSA soldier/sailor/marine, as he owned NO slaves, cared NOTHING about "the right to own slaves",farmed and/or worked in a small business, had GROSS ASSETS of 25.oo USD or less & simply wanted TO BE FREE.
2. when one side has an essentially UNlimited supply of everything that the other side lacks, the stronger of the two almost always wins,
3.might does NOT make RIGHT &
4. to quote Arnold Toynbee: "History is FICTION, popularly agreed upon by TYRANTS & CONQUERERS". PITY that you didn't study the FACTS about the WBTS from an UNbiased source. as i said earlier, you have (like all northerners) been force-fed the MYTH of northern "RIGHTEOUSNESS" & southern "SINFULNESS", which to be frank is STUPID & KNOWINGLY dishonest on the part of your "indoctrinators".
free dixie,sw
It can't have been easy living on one of those plantations.
Under slavery, we live surrounded by prostitutes, yet an abandoned woman is sent out of any decent house. Who thinks any worse of a Negro or mulatto woman for being a thing we can't name? God forgive us, but ours is a monstrous system, a wrong and an iniquity! Like the patriarchs of old, our men live all in one house with their wives and their concubines; and the mulattoes one sees in every family partly resemble the white children. Any lady is ready to tell you who is the father of all the mulatto children in everybody’s household but her own. Those, she seems to think, drop from the clouds. My disgust sometimes is boiling over. Thank God for my country women, but alas for the men! They are probably no worse than men everywhere, but the lower their mistresses, the more degraded they must be.
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I hate slavery. You say there are no more fallen women on a plantation than in London, in proportion to numbers; but what do you say to this? A magnate who runs a hideous black harem with its consequences under the same roof with his lovely white wife, and his beautiful and accomplished daughters? He holds his head as high and poses as the model of all human virtues to these poor women whom God and the laws have given him. From the height of his awful majesty, he scolds and thunders at them, as if he never did wrong in his life. Fancy such a man finding his daughter reading “Don Juan.” “You with that immoral book!” And he orders her out of his sight. Source
Just how do you equate anything I say with Liberalism?
Could it be because I think Lincoln was a tyrant?
That is a new spin.........
You can ask any of my “opponents” on this forum. I am FAR away from that, and I gravitate to Ultra-Conservative :)
squattie, you probably would think any army mostly "peasants."
Davis, Toombs, Yancey, Rhett, Keitt, Wigfall, Ruffin and all the other b*st*rds who made that war weren't peasants.
They bought and sold and owned peasants.
Yep. She was higher than a kite.
So what if they owned slaves?
It was perfectly legal, both morally and otherwise in 1861.
I think he owned the slaves.
Taking narcotics was legal back then, too. People slam her for that, then you want to excuse the husband because the laws protected his own offenses.
But really, was slaveowning and the sexual exploitation of slave women really "moral" or "morally legal" back then?
Did people excuse or praise such sexual exploitation or did they condemn it when they knew of it?
There were some who'd have argued that it wasn't even legal constitutionally.
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