How nurseries 'still breed aggression' (New study points out behavior problems r/t daycare)

The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | March 26, 2007 | Sarah Womack

[Stoat]

Unlike schools, however, nurseries operate 51 weeks a year and are often open between 7.30am and 7pm.

How pathetic.

Well, we can't be having Junior and his / her needs interfering with Mom and Dad's work or happy hour now can we?

How rude of them to close at 7...don't they care that after-work parties oftentimes run long past that time?

A 24 hour daycare facility is obviously the way to go, so that Mom or Dad can just pop in and say 'coochie-coo' to the little one when it's convenient.

In the 1980's, when this 'daycare lifestyle' became fashionable, I could see all of this without any fancy studies...a 'psychopath factory' would be a polite way to put it.

Unlike schools, however, nurseries operate 51 weeks a year and are often open between 7.30am and 7pm.

How pathetic.

[Stoat]

From the headline, I thought the article was going to be about attack rhododendrons.

Entirely understandable, given the wildly popular nature of such flora.

Monstrous fun at the florist's Theatre Stage Arts Telegraph

 

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[edsheppa]

Well, nothing a good thrashing won't fix.

[television is just wrong]

I stayed home and raised my children. Why do people have children? to hand them off to someonelse to raise?

[Jason_b]

"I resented going to a nursery and not having a Mom home when I got home from school."

I have some direct experience. After mom divorced dad in 1970, I got to be a latch-key child. After school, I waited for dad to get home. Mom remarried a single dad with three older boys and gave everything to them. I was withdrawn and depressed but not aggressive. My guts were in knots for 25 years. I don't have one tat or piercing, have done ok education and career-wise and I have a very good foreign-born wife of ten years.

I was reading a book by Samuel Pufendorf which had a chapter on how men naturally have a sense of honor and self-worth and should treat each other respectfully.

It got me to thinking, I couldn't have expressed it back then, but small children have a sense of honor too which they cannot assert. Small children dumped in day care, nurseries, palmed off on others, will feel dishonored, disrespected, by their own parents, to the point of excruciating, but will be unable to react as an adult would by challenging the dishonor and insisting the other party make it right.

Perhaps as an adult, the child will figure it out and put the right words to the feelings, or not, but either way, we will likely find these same kids don't want to take care of mom and dad when they get old. Mom and/or dad, may find themselves in nursing homes to a larger degree, and not the nice ones either.

Maybe the children, grown, will show up to say coochie coo from time to time. Or not, if it isn't convenient. Perhaps we will be reading some years hence, how "Nursing homes still breed aggression' (New study points out behavior problems r/t nursing homes)

What goes around comes around.

[Stoat]

I stayed home and raised my children. Why do people have children? to hand them off to someonelse to raise?

Oh, but you are missing the point, don't you see.  A Modern (feminist) Woman should be able to have it all...big career, big income, big family, and all without being chained to the kitchen like we all know she was for all of human history, particularly under the Domination of the Evil White Male.

Any woman who doesn't follow that path is letting down The Sisterhood, and is actually a Traitor To The Cause.

This notion of women needing to expend time and effort to raise a child properly is a lie and a fiction that has been laid at the feet of women strictly in order to facilitate their DOMINATION BY EVIL WHITE MEN.

(hopefully I don't need a 'sarcasm' tag  :-))

[FlyVet]

In the past I have heard (psychobabble or not) that the first three years are the most important of a child's formative years. That the first three years will play a large part in determining the child's personality.

If that is true, it seems putting a bunch of infant strangers together, all fighting for desperately-needed attention, would cause them to become aggressive in a dog-eat-dog kinda way.

Nothing wrong with aggressive pursuit of life on your own merit, but not if you have to stab others in the back to achieve things.

[Scotswife]

"The study also found, for example, that children in high-quality care were more articulate at the age of 10, with a bigger vocabulary."

yes. They have more than one way to tell you to go %**@ yourself.

7-7:30?

51 wks a yr?

And this is a "mystery?"


like I suspected - having a psych degree does not make a person very intelligent.

[asburygrad]

I know of some day cares in our city that are open 24 hours a day for parents who work third shift.

[SquirrelKing]

Please pardon the choppiness of this post - some of the idiocy I see expressed here has me very upset.

For starters, I was homeschooled and raised by a stay-at-home mom. Likewise, my wife's mom opted out of college to stay home and raise her children. I know the value of "mom and dad". I also know that daycare isn't a godless drop-a-tot hellhole that some here seem to think.

My wife and I both work and no, we do not live extravagantly, and no she isn't a career-focused fem-Nazi.

He gets the best care, and we are both active and involved in all daycare events. Furthermore, he is loved. Truly loved and knows it. Not with overcompensation and guilt but with feeling, structure and Christian parenting.

What I am trying to say is that yes, you can stay home and raise your kids all you want, that's fine, but there are other good people just like you who don't have that option at the moment.

Oh, and our "stay at home moms"? Both divorced and now fighting hard in a world after having had to take entry-level jobs in thier forties and struggling with health issues. Neither of their husbands thought it wise for them to get an education or build skills that would allow them to survive better in the autumn of their lives.

I would have traded all my growing up underfoot if it would have allowed mom to be better situated now.

[ansel12]

I lived the feminist version of the idyllic childhood.

I was in daycare in 1955 until I could transfer to kindergarten, when that let out about noon, I would walk almost 2 miles to a parent-less house.

I was shocked when daycare started being pushed as a wonderful thing during the 70s.

[little jeremiah]

I'll ping the MA list tomorrow with this.

[Lil'freeper]

Prof Belsky acknowledged that it was a "developmental mystery" why children exposed to nursery were more aggressive

Prof Belsky obviously hasn't read Lord of the Flies.

[LearnsFromMistakes]

There's no substitute for Mom and Dad :-)

uh, yeah. a village... ;)

[metmom]

Interesting thoughts. Probably what the kids are interpreting being left in daycare is that their parents don't want them and if your own parents don't want you, who does? Every kid knows that parents are supposed to love and want their own children, at least, even if they can't stand anyone else's.

[metmom]

The *freedom* promised women by the feminists is just a form of bondage or slavery that's more oppressive than what they're allegedly being rescued from. Technically, the women are supposed to be equal with men, but I'll bet the woman does the lion's share of running the household in addition to being out earning money. The pressure on her has to be far greater.

I worked at a job before I got married, not a career, a job; and I'll tell you, I couldn't have been happier to quit, get married, finish college, have a family, and STAY HOME.

[RavenATB]

"Hmmm, whoda thought that raising small children in herds might not be ideal? "


Exactly! There are only two significant differences between "Day Care" and a dog kennel:

1. Dog kennels are much more strict about keeping sick pets out then day cares are about keeping sick kids out.

2. Dog kennels do much more to separate animals for their protection than day care centers do for kids.

Aside from these two factors, day care centers and dog kennels are essentially the same thing.

[VanDeKoik]

You forgot the </moronic comment> tag at the end of that.

[LiberationIT]

FYI - there is an article on this study in today's Wall Street Journal. Page B1.

[TalonDJ]

I would have traded all my growing up underfoot if it would have allowed mom to be better situated now.

Have you told you mom that? I would expect she would cry that you think so little of her spending some of her best years with you. Ask HER if SHE regrets it now. I think you will be surprised to find out she counts her present problems as nothing compared to the chance to have raised you in the way she thought was best.

Incidentally I am also a homeschool grad. So is my wife. I would rather live in a trailer and work the night shift so she could teach them than to send them off to day care of school or anything. No we don't have any kids yet but we will soon and it will be a huge pay cut when she comes home.