Posted on 03/23/2007 3:31:08 PM PDT by leadpenny
More PC bullshit from the pc bullshit crowd. When are we going to start fighting wars to win instead of fighting them with both hands tied behind our backs? The reason the locals want them to leave is because they were effective. They use this BS against us time and time again. When the hell are we going to learn?
I'm with you on that one. If Bush would just get his ass out of the U.N, we would actually WIN wars for a change.
How do you know that?
Second...call it a gut feeling from a 21 year vet of the USMC...been there and done that.
1. For one the term civilian is BS since terroists are a military in civilian garb. This is why negociating with the like of Arafat who take orders and who have a vow to not surrender nor compromise as any military of the stripe would stand for is a complete sham.
2. Using democracy as a tool of winning a war invariably will put civilians in between as a rule. In that aspect, anti-militia politicians and their PC is total hypocrisy.
3. This type of "incident" is quite routine in the war on terror in fact. Believe me, it is strange to note that the units that fire back at everything moving during car bomb attacks of the sort never get car bombed after.
5. If a civilian shield and hostages works better than armor or stealth to protect the enemy, then we have lost this war. It simply cannot be allowed.
PC warfare. Unbelievable. Disgraceful. An insult to all who serve.
Call it a gut feeling from a 21 year Army vet, CentCom would not order the unit out if the only concern was that the Marine unit was too combat effective. But that's just me and I don't know any more about the situation than what I've read here.
You show me an Army general who is not afraid to cover his own ass and I'll show you a Highly trained Marine unit that is not combat effective.
Basic Training barracks chatter.
Yea, your right.... A Special Operations Command Marine unit that is part of a MEUSOC over an Army general. I'll take the side of the guys taking rounds over a REMF any day.
Related thread, FYI: "Marines face U.S. probe in Afghanistan shootings"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1805757/posts
Seriously, that's not what I'd expect to hear from a 21 year vet. Kearney went into the Ranger Hall of Fame as an LTC in 96.
Thanks, it looks like the same AP story. CNN put a different title on it.
To be honest, I don't know what to think.
What I am sure of is that something about this whole report doesn't ring true. I can't tell you what part, though, but something stinks.
I doubt they just started shooting civilians. MEUSOC's pack a nasty punch and are very well trained. There is much more to this story. My bet is the area where this happened are sympathizers. Why else would a SOC unit be deployed to that area?
* Marines face U.S. probe in Afghanistan shootings, Associated Press, March 23rd, posted by Tulsa Ramjet.
* Soldier Injured, Civilians Killed in Afghanistan Convoy Attack (Now the Official Story), American Forces Press Service, March 4th, posted by SandRat.
* Afghan media: U.S. troops deleted images [Maybe we're learning], Associated Press, March 4th, posted by RedRover.
* Ambush on U.S. Convoy Leaves 16 (Afghan civilians) Dead, Associated Press, March 4th, posted by rightwingintelligentsia.
You can bet that SecDef Gates knows everything about this incident that SOC knows.
Seriously, having been an ENLISTED Marine for 21 years, knowing how our enemies fight, knowing how SOME officers are more then willing to cover their asses rather then stick their necks out, and knowing that it should take an AWFUL lot more than collateral causalities to pull a line unit out of combat...or maybe it is just being overly sensitive to the "cover your ass" syndrome that is so prevelent in the upper layers of command these days.
They may be pulling out the Marines, but I'll bet they're not pulling out any of the lawyers!
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