Posted on 03/13/2007 11:26:20 PM PDT by neverdem
How dare you consider self defense. The reeducation classes have started, you just need to...
Thanks for the link!
Utter nonsense. Why would the Second Amendment work differently than the First? My right to free speech is seriously curtailed while I'm at work. I could go to the mall and use abusive language or bad-mouth my company's products. Can't do that at work and remain employed. It's that simple.
Second amendment rights trump private property rights? I don't think so, but it'd be nice if it were so (for 1st amendment too!).
I see your point about property rights, but isn't my car MY property? I park in my employer's parking lot at my employer's pleasure, but it's nobody's business what I keep inside MY car for self defense.
I also understand that an employer can fire anyone for any reason (unless the employment contract says otherwise), but any employer who fires someone for having a gun in his car is an idiot.
Wrong.
but any employer who fires someone for having a gun in his car is an idiot.
AOL fired 3 employees in Utah, the court upheld AOL
Weyerhauser and Conoco-Phillips were fighting the State of Oklahoma over employees with firearms in the trunk of their vehicle.
Conoco - Phillips (the oil company) did file suit against the State of Oklahoma in federal court over a Oklahoma law that protected employees.
I do not have any idea how far this suit has progressed.
Could you keep a hustler in your car?
How about a Cobra in your Cobra?
This sounds nice, but is not the practice. Most states have laws that your guns must be disassembled during transportation. In Massachusetts, they will jail you if you even think about having a gun in your car. (Slight hyperbole there, but check out the laws in that ACLU-run state.)
Most universities ban all guns. That is quite diferent from the way things were in my youth, when my high school had a rifle team, and the members carried their rifles to school on the bus on days when they had meets. The bus driver would wish them good luck in the competitions as they borded. It was a different world then — and in most ways a better one.
This is actually an important article. I've heard lots of incidences where cases were made that took the point of view if you are in somebody's business, their rules trump your rights (Yes, I know the article said business parking lot, not "business" but I think the principle applies. Don't property rights convey with the person, not with the property?).
As I'm sure you know, the First Amendment applies to political speech, not smut speech, Larry Flynt to the contrary, so your reply is specious.
They don't. The employer's property[parking lot] ends at my property[vehicle].
The Constitution does not incorporate private businesses into the State. Your rights enumerated in the Constitution are enforceable against the state only, unless legislation specifically gives you (or the state) a cause of action against a business.
Neither circumstance applies here.
Texas is a 'right-to-work' state. You can get fired for any reason, or no reason.
Oh, really?
Airports can be run by private corporations, yet your rights are certainly trumped there.
Let me add further.
When you sit on an airplane, in flight, you are in a transport vehicle owned by a private corporation, yet regulated by the State.
Think you have any property rights there?
The rights referred to in the Constitution do not exist in transactions between businesses and individuals, except insofar as Congress has provided through regulation of interstate commerce (the Civil Rights Act of 1964, for example).
Hence, while you are riding in someone else's airplane, you cannot make a speech, carry a gun, quarter a soldier under your seat. You are not free from unreasonable searches or seizures, as long as they are not carried out by an agent of the government. You may not freely exercise your religion. You may not peaceably assemble in the aisles or toilets. And so on.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.