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Crisis Looms in Mortgages
The New York Times ^ | 03/11/07 | Gretchen Morgenson

Posted on 03/10/2007 4:34:57 PM PST by Bluestateredman

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To: WashingtonSource
And I should believe this analysis by Gretchen Morgenson and the New York Times because . . .

As we speak, NY-Times reporters and editors are on their knees praying that subprime mortgage defaults rise and rise, leading the US into a depression which they can then blame on GWB.

It is one of the few times the NY-Times has believed in prayer.

(Dear God, I'm sorry for my cynicism but sometimes I cant help myself.)

41 posted on 03/11/2007 8:19:29 AM PDT by Edit35
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To: Texas Eagle
The banks will be fine. But this will be a good excuse for them to start raising interest rates.

What they really need to do is demand higher down payments, and spot-checking appraisals for reality

42 posted on 03/11/2007 8:34:20 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Never try to teach a pig to sing -- it wastes your time and it annoys the pig)
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To: Bluestateredman

And another not so publicized account has the major brokerage houses have near credit ratings closer to junk than the top rating.


43 posted on 03/11/2007 8:37:51 AM PDT by junta (It's Jihad stupid! It's the borders stupid! It's Political Correctness stupid!)
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To: mcenedo

"No body forced anybody to take these mortgages or to buy interests inthe secureties."

There's a phrase that has escaped from our society: "Caveat Emptor".

Our society wants to have no responsibility for any of their decisions and be completely insulated from any loss.


44 posted on 03/11/2007 9:10:12 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: Moonman62
Good point.

If I may add....

Some lenders have been doing SISA loans, stated income, stated assets and funding 100% through a 90-10 or 80-20. So, very little documentation from the borrower and 100% loan to value. And some FICO scores below 680. When the borrowers defaulted and the prices dipped the lender ate it. I don't relish the problem, but the lenders set themselves up. And many loan officers are just in it for the one transaction.

We provide full dislosure to the lender. I remember one where the account executive said send the loan over and maybe the underwriter will approve it. We told the borrower we didn't want to do the loan because it was obvious he would be in foreclosure in 4-5 months.

BTW, some lenders go back and analyze early defaults and can come back against the loan officer for the commission. The lender in our example, said don't worry about it, they would eat it if the underwriter approved the laon. Sounds like some have eaten too much.

45 posted on 03/11/2007 9:20:10 AM PDT by carolinalivin
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To: carolinalivin

I imagine the worst of the lenders will be facing jail time for fraud. And in the case of New Century, bankruptcy.


46 posted on 03/11/2007 9:56:01 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Bluestateredman

This has been predicted as imminent for several years. What is keeping the US economy and the world economy from instantaneous collapse?


47 posted on 03/11/2007 9:59:38 AM PDT by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: Moonman62
Recently, the FBI was in socal looking at another loan issue, fraudulant appraisals.

A court has decided that it is defrauding the people of the US and the government to do loan fraud. Here was the scheme.

Buyer makes an offer for 50,000 over asking price. Appraisal verifies the higher amount, using phony comps. Lender makes the loan on the higher amount. Buyer gets 50,000 cash back from the seller.

The loan was based upon a phony appraisal.

We actually got a call like this on one of our listing. The agnet said she didn't know it was illegal and would talk to her client. She never called back. I think she was an FBI agent and testing the companies in our area. Fortunately, we gave the right answer, as we usually do : ). Before we got a license a few years ago, I never would have thought I was doing anything wrong as a seller, because I knew very little about how the system worked.

48 posted on 03/11/2007 10:12:48 AM PDT by carolinalivin
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To: Bluestateredman

"This has been a disaster in the making for several years now, and it looks like the s*** may be about to hit the fan."

Blah, blah, blah, crisis, blah, blah, blah... sh!+ hitting the fan... maybe.

Do you guys ever run out of steam... I mean after 5 years do you guys ever stop? I bet you believe in aliens too.


49 posted on 03/11/2007 10:14:31 AM PDT by Porterville (Bullies love Peace and the Peaceful fight Wars.)
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To: ken5050
BTW the word "tranche" is French . It means "an open, runnng sewer..."

I looked it up and got, "slice, a part of".

50 posted on 03/11/2007 10:14:46 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: GSlob

or the bear-ies some sideline investors have between their legs.


51 posted on 03/11/2007 10:15:47 AM PDT by Porterville (Bullies love Peace and the Peaceful fight Wars.)
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To: Porterville

I believe in aliens. I live in socal. : )


52 posted on 03/11/2007 10:16:23 AM PDT by carolinalivin
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To: SauronOfMordor
Why should I have to come up with a "higher down payment" when all I want is lowest payment per month over a 5-10 year span of time?

Don't interfere with business you don't understand and I won't get up in your business that I clearly can't begin to understand because your business is apparently getting up in everybody else's.
53 posted on 03/11/2007 10:20:17 AM PDT by Porterville (Bullies love Peace and the Peaceful fight Wars.)
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To: Doe Eyes

Did you look it up in a French dictionary? FYI my source was an article some years ago in Barron's..


54 posted on 03/11/2007 10:20:53 AM PDT by ken5050 (The 2008 winning ticket: Rudy/Newtie)
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To: Porterville

These "creative" loans only became popular in the last five years. I believe that we will begin seeing the dramatic fallout from them over the next couple of years. Ten years ago, banks still required large down payments and were not pursuing these types of loans, as they knew they were too risky. I firmly believe that the housing market will continue a downward spiral over the next couple years. There will be large scale defaults and a glut of housing on the market. As another poster said, think of the preponderance of ads touting 125% loans, no money down, no income verification, etc. That cannot stand in a declining market. For years now, people have been treating their homes as cash-producing instruments, readily refinancing every year or two as equity rose whenever they needed cash for home improvements, a new car, college education, etc. Despite the source of the article the facts remain. BTW, I have a 30 year fixed 5.25% mortgage that amounts to only about 30% of my home's current value. Personally not concerned.


55 posted on 03/11/2007 11:12:30 AM PDT by Bluestateredman (Self-sufficiency is the American Way)
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To: Bluestateredman

"I believe that we will begin seeing the dramatic fallout from them over the next couple of years"

I believe you are wrong because I have faith in investor's decisions and the free market economy. You don't.


56 posted on 03/11/2007 2:06:04 PM PDT by Porterville (Bullies love Peace and the Peaceful fight Wars.)
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To: Bluestateredman
"There will be large scale defaults and a glut of housing on the market. As another poster said, think of the preponderance of ads touting 125% loans, no money down, no income verification, etc. That cannot stand in a declining market. For years now, people have been treating their homes as cash-producing instruments, readily refinancing every year or two as equity rose whenever they needed cash for home improvements, a new car, college education, etc. Despite the source of the article the facts remain. BTW, I have a 30 year fixed 5.25% mortgage that amounts to only about 30% of my home's current value. Personally not concerned."

I firmly believe you have no idea what you are talking about by evidence that you use etc. way to much. Furthermore, you state "the facts remain" what facts? That you show how little you understand or that you use the same talking points the gold bugs have been using for the past 5 years? Nonsense.

57 posted on 03/11/2007 2:10:29 PM PDT by Porterville (Bullies love Peace and the Peaceful fight Wars.)
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To: Porterville

Are you for real? I used etc. twice in a paragraph so I must be clueless? I am not a financial writer, I'm just stating the obvious from my own observances of people I know.


58 posted on 03/11/2007 2:31:10 PM PDT by Bluestateredman (Self-sufficiency is the American Way)
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To: Porterville
That you show how little you understand or that you use the same talking points the gold bugs have been using for the past 5 years? Nonsense.


59 posted on 03/12/2007 9:38:07 AM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: Bluestateredman
You were right. It's hitting today.....Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
60 posted on 03/13/2007 1:03:52 PM PDT by b4its2late (Liberalism is a hollow log and a mental disorder.)
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