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Sins on the Seine--Betrayal: France, the Arabs, and the Jews
Azure ^ | 3-7-07 | NOAH POLLAK

Posted on 03/07/2007 5:51:31 PM PST by SJackson

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To: Atlantic Bridge

"You whining about the OFF or economic relationships between France and Iraq is ridicolous. "

Actually I am complaining about German whores too. When your country is caught red handed supporting evil and selling its vote, you may well have to resort to ad hominem attacks on my "whining" :

http://www.heritage.org/Research/MiddleEast/wm217.cfm

Heritage is one of the premier Conservative think tanks in the US.


41 posted on 03/12/2007 5:38:51 PM PDT by dervish (Remember Amalek)
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To: dervish
Actually I am complaining about German whores too. When your country is caught red handed supporting evil and selling its vote, you may well have to resort to ad hominem attacks on my "whining" :

I quote from your link that refers to the late Iraq of Saddam:

Direct trade between Germany and Iraq amounts to about $350 million annually, and another $1 billion is reportedly sold through third parties.[10]

Very funny.

Germay, a small but economically influentical nation, has a GDP of $2.585 trillion. Do you really think that $350 million or even $1 billion trade volume is anything substancial to us? This is just a proof that we practically sold nothing to Saddam Hussein anymore, since a restricted socket trade through OFF was perfectly legal. If you ask other nations in that area about their trade volume with Germany you get other numbers.

42 posted on 03/12/2007 6:29:16 PM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum!)
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To: dervish
whores.

At least we are no whiners like you.

43 posted on 03/12/2007 6:36:16 PM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,353585,00.html

Don't you read German papers?

small companies like Siemans?

Ever hear of Hans von Sponeck? Sometimes it is not the percent of GDP that counts but whose particular gross is enlarged.

http://medienkritik.typepad.com/blog/oil_for_food/index.html

Personal attacks are intellectually boring. And say much more about you than about me.


44 posted on 03/12/2007 7:05:05 PM PDT by dervish (Remember Amalek)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Personally, I'm just sick of hearing anything about that, um, shabby little country. The sooner it capitulates itself out of existence the better.

I mean France, of course.

45 posted on 03/12/2007 7:20:06 PM PDT by JasonC
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"To me America is still much more important than a few Arabs. Nevertheless I also think it is idiotic that the US loose themselves in sabre-rattling if they obviously do not have the means to accomplish."

That's very heartening to hear, that America is still more important to you than a few Arabs. We do not have the means to accomplish? Here you all see the arrogance of most Europeans, whose asses we saved from Communism, and protected them for 60 years with our hard earned tax money, even after we kicked Germany's and Japan's asses! We don't have the means? We have the strongest economy in the world, we have 4.5% unemployment, we have 300 million population, and we don't have the means? Don't be stupid. We don't have the political will. The Iraq war was well intentioned, to free that country from a vicious dictator, and introduce democracy. We have learned some things from that. We could easily send enough troops there to finish it properly, as we did with Germany. So enjoy your freedom at our expense, don't bother to say "thank you" for your socialist welfare state we allow you to have, because you don't have to spend your money on your own defense. And don't believe everything you read and hear on you leftist and jealous news media: Here's clue: Hillary will never be elected President, in her life time!


46 posted on 03/12/2007 7:27:05 PM PDT by Tangaray
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To: Tangaray
Europe is deeply impressed and full of devotion. Our heartfelt greetings to the holy land in the west where milk and honey flows. :)

Beside of that it does not matter if you lack the "technical" means to accomplish or if you lack the political will. What counts is the fact that you are obviously not able to do it.

P.S.

Do not get me wrong - but the times are a changing. Personally I think it is better to understand that Europeans and Americans sometimes have different interests. Our common interests prevail, but it would be naive to act on the assumption that Europe remains a submissive vassal just because America won WWII. The occupation of Germany ended in 1990 and France defined itself -completely without the US- a long time ago. This is the reason why to me it would be helpful to redefine some things like NATO, since they do not represent the political realities anymore. What do we really want in the future?

47 posted on 03/12/2007 10:34:03 PM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum!)
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Yes, the times have changed, due to the efforts and expense to the United States. And we don't want "vassals" in Europe, we want friends. Many of us in the US are advocating getting out of NATO, because it seems to have contributed nothing to the safety of the US. Can you picture a NATO, or even a world without America? Do you think Putin and his successors will treat the little European countries the same as it does now? Just think in your terms of "Realpolitik". Europe couldn't even handle the small problems in Yugoslavia by themselves. It needed the backbone of the US. As long as the Europeans have the security of the US in back of their mind, they want to be totally independent, just as teenagers rebelling against their parents. America, as divided as it is right now, politically, still has the moral compass of what's right, and what's wrong, whereas the Europeans, even more divided among themselves, only concern themselves with whats in the best financial interest of their small countries. Morality has left Europe, but political correctness flourishes. The German government elites won't even allow the German citizens to vote on the EU constitution, because they know what the outcome would be. They think you people can't be trusted. Your bureaucrats want to maintain their status, and your social welfare recipients want more and more benefits. The population is decreasing, and who will pay for all the goodies? I think you are heading in the direction of communism, with your striving of income equality. And we all know what communism has done for your countrymen in the East. Just think what Germany would be like today, if the whole country had been under communism, instead of just the East.
48 posted on 03/13/2007 10:03:58 AM PDT by Tangaray
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To: Tangaray

"We do not have the means to accomplish?"

Incredible is it not!


49 posted on 03/13/2007 7:11:40 PM PDT by dervish (Remember Amalek)
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