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Addition or subtraction?: Ann Coulter and the conservative crossroads
Townhall.com ^ | March 7, 2007 | Michael Medved

Posted on 03/07/2007 6:28:29 AM PST by MadIvan

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To: My2Cents
So, yes, it was tacky, rude, and senseless.

That wasn't the question, but of course you knew that. How about answering it?

Whether Edwards is a homosexual or not is irrelevant. What IS relevant is whether you're displacing moral cowardice with moral outrage.

341 posted on 03/07/2007 5:12:14 PM PST by papertyger
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To: aviator
Practical approach = compromise

Medved's point isn't that we compromise our principles (unless our principles include being boorish and angry pinheads). His point is that conservatives need to be polite, civil, respectful, not foul in our rhetoric or demeanor. What Coulter said about Edwards wasn't just foul and crude, but in calling him the "f-word" she committed slander. I am astounded (perhaps I shouldn't be) that people on this forum actually think that part and parcel of being a conservative is that we have to have a hateful, distainful, scornful attitude. The general society has gotten more coarse over the past generation. We conservatives should be at the forefront of "conserving" civility.

342 posted on 03/07/2007 7:02:37 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: My2Cents

Ann didn't call Edwards by the "f-word." Reread her quote!


343 posted on 03/07/2007 7:04:59 PM PST by aviator (Armored Pest Control)
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To: Altura Ct.

Medved is one of the best spokesman Conservatism has. Would you prefer Michael Savage?


344 posted on 03/07/2007 9:08:25 PM PST by Borges
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To: papertyger
Do you believe homosexuality is classy, refined, sensible?

Do you in real life go around calling people you don't like 'faggot' around them or someone who'll tell them?

Gay or straight, doesn't matter.

Do you really live this, or are you just defending Ann?

345 posted on 03/07/2007 9:46:45 PM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: Altura Ct.
I'll put this in a way you can read and comprehend:

WHEN DID I OR ANYONE ON THIS THREAD SAY ANN COULTER HAD NO RIGHT TO SAY WHAT SHE SAID?

There are a bunch of people crying censorship on this thread, and y'all aren't really much different from the people who show up at war protests with duct tape on their mouths to protest the administration's crackdown on their 1st Amendment rights.

346 posted on 03/08/2007 5:14:58 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: Sam Hill
Do you think anybody who makes a Polish joke should be drummed out of civilized society?

Why is it that you guys want to debate this like a bunch of leftists? This is like when a conservative says "It's not a good idea to let people come here illegally" and a leftist screams "You want children to starve!"

The debate is about whther this blitheringly stupid comment advanced the conservative cause. It did not. Show me where it did. Tell me why someone should pass up a chance to tell people that the guy is a Marxist and a hypocrite Christophobe so that they can call him a faggot.

Hey, will it advance the conservative cause if Ann says, "I don't want to talk about Obabma's policy positions, let's talk about his big ears"? Wow, that'll really win voters to our side!

347 posted on 03/08/2007 5:19:51 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: Dominic Harr
Do you in real life go around calling people you don't like 'faggot' around them or someone who'll tell them?

No, in real life I go around challenging intellectual dishonesty, which is why I asked you if you believe homosexuality is classy, refined, and sensible.

348 posted on 03/08/2007 5:34:51 AM PST by papertyger
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To: MadIvan
I've read "Hollywood Versus America"

I put it down when I got to the point where he attributed the failure of Star Trek V to its supposed "secular humanist agenda" (rather than to the fact that William Shatner couldn't direct a one-man parade down a one-way street). When an author starts indulging in reaches that would give Mister Fantastic a charley horse, I just can't take them seriously.

349 posted on 03/08/2007 5:36:30 AM PST by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
The debate is about whther this blitheringly stupid comment advanced the conservative cause.

Here's some news for you, and I'll write it big so you can understand:

You don't get to define the debate

If we want to throw rocks at you, because you want to throw rocks at Ann...

Deal with it!

350 posted on 03/08/2007 5:49:21 AM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
No, in real life I go around challenging intellectual dishonesty, which is why I asked you if you believe homosexuality is classy, refined, and sensible.

You have quite an interesting opinion of your role here. I can't say I see any evidence of what you claim! :-D

I think being gay is neither classy nor classless. There are all kinds of gay folks from all ends of the spectrum.

Just curious -- do you intend the R party to be the 'anti-gay' party?

351 posted on 03/08/2007 7:47:17 AM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: papertyger
If we want to throw rocks at you, because you want to throw rocks at Ann... Deal with it!

Why don't you take a little of your own advice? People say Ann Coulter's comment was stupid and unhelpful, and a bunch or Freepers come out of the woodwork to treat us like the Gestapo. How many posts on this thread portray "It isn't a good idea to call your opponent a faggot" as actually meaning "Ann Coulter has no 1st Amendment rights." Physician, heal thyself.

352 posted on 03/08/2007 8:03:30 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: Tribune7
And Psychotherapy,Theatre,and basically the whole "new age", to name a few more
353 posted on 03/08/2007 12:35:23 PM PST by andrewwood (andrewwood)
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To: papertyger
On the conservative side, we have libertarians, socons, neocons,paleocons,and lots of other sorts of cons,who have many divergent but passionately held beliefs. I'm not even sure if their is any unifying core belief, but imho, it is better to have the power to govern and affect the outcome of social policy debate, than to be a shrill pure voice well in the background, to be absolutely right and absolutely irrelevant.
354 posted on 03/08/2007 12:52:44 PM PST by andrewwood (andrewwood)
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To: Dominic Harr
You have quite an interesting opinion of your role here. I can't say I see any evidence of what you claim!

Of course you can't see any evidence. You're obviously a moral castratto that has no idea what the word "righteous" is used for unless it follows the prefix "self."

I think being gay is neither classy nor classless.

Can you describe for me what you would consider a "classy" act of sodomy?

Do you see anything wrong with homosexuality?

355 posted on 03/08/2007 2:24:29 PM PST by papertyger
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To: Mr. Silverback
How many posts on this thread portray "It isn't a good idea to call your opponent a faggot" as actually meaning "Ann Coulter has no 1st Amendment rights."

About as many as say "It isn't a good idea to call your opponent a faggot" when they actually mean "I've already ceded that territory to the enemy; stop reminding me I'm a coward."

Take your pick as to whether the territory is homosexuality or name-calling.

356 posted on 03/08/2007 2:31:42 PM PST by papertyger
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To: andrewwood
...imho, it is better to have the power to govern and affect the outcome of social policy debate...

please demonstrate for me how the republicans have allowed the conservative wing to substantively affect the social policy debate.

357 posted on 03/08/2007 2:34:29 PM PST by papertyger
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To: MadIvan

He misses the point that Coulter played off of, the re-education camp an certain liberal actor is now enrolled.


358 posted on 03/08/2007 2:37:44 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: papertyger
You're obviously a moral castratto that has no idea what the word "righteous" is used for unless it follows the prefix "self."

"moral castratto"? Nice, very nice insult. Man, that's one of the best flames I've ever seen!

I work with a very classy gay lady, in fact. I do not see anything "wrong" with being gay. If the R party is planning on becomming the party of "gays are bad", then that would affect my desire to vote for R canidates.

I'm sure that just breaks your heart. :-)

359 posted on 03/08/2007 2:38:30 PM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: Dominic Harr

Do you ever answer the questions you are actually asked?


360 posted on 03/08/2007 2:42:09 PM PST by papertyger
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