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Addition or subtraction?: Ann Coulter and the conservative crossroads
Townhall.com ^ | March 7, 2007 | Michael Medved

Posted on 03/07/2007 6:28:29 AM PST by MadIvan

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To: Sam Hill
Guess what? You will get about 1,620,000 hits. Most of them from pro-homosexual sites. One of the first is from a gay blog that proudly calls itself The Faggoty-Ass Faggot.

So what? Lots of black folks use the N word, too. Doesn't mean it's all right for decent conversation. Doesn't mean someone who is not black can call a black person that. It's offensive.

Can't you see that?

301 posted on 03/07/2007 10:54:29 AM PST by SoothingDave (Eugene Gurkin was a janitor, cleaning toilets for The Man)
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To: OldFriend

While I agree with his assessment of the Coulter comment but whole heartedly disagree with his characterization of the Minute Men .

It is fight or wind up in reeducation centers time folks! With the Libby conviction it is the attempt by the leftists in this country to criminalize being a conservative.


302 posted on 03/07/2007 10:55:30 AM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Lee'sGhost
It really is as simple as that.

It really is.

But that's not going to satisfy the left.
They will not be satisfied until the gay rights agenda becomes equivalent to the blacks struggle for equal rights.

It really is as simple as that.

303 posted on 03/07/2007 10:56:04 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: Nebr FAL owner
It is fight or wind up in reeducation centers time folks!

That's a good way of phrasing it.
Sad that most people will never see it coming.

304 posted on 03/07/2007 10:58:42 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: papertyger
It makes absolutely no sense to build a ruling "conservative" coalition if doing so means "conservative" has to become something else to build it.

I agree, politics is not like marriage, where as one of the stars on a tv sitcom says' Marriage is about compromise, so when my wife wanted a cat, and I didn't want a cat, we got a cat.' Or something like that. You compromise your belief, it is not your belief any more. Why vote for something you don't believe? Vote for what you think is right and you will have no regrets. Politics is not like handicapping a horse race.

305 posted on 03/07/2007 10:59:43 AM PST by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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To: Ramcat

Exactly Ramcat and even more so not just the gay agenda. To achieve our objectives we will control all written words, speech and thoughts.


306 posted on 03/07/2007 11:01:00 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: MadIvan
Medved's obviously very confused.. conflicted maybe..

Could be the boy is a RINO...

RINO's instinctly HATE ANN Coulter..
The joke went right over his head.. ZOOOM..

Yeah... Medved's on the down low.. hes a RINO..

307 posted on 03/07/2007 11:02:56 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: SoothingDave

I can see that you aren't truly interested in a rational discussion. You have never bothered to even try to address any of my very thoughtful arguments. You are too addicted to your feelings of moral superiority to even entertain the possibility that you might have hold of the wrong end of the stick here.

The man who had to go to rehab for actually calling a homosexual "a faggot" -- and meaning it as a slut against him, since he was a homosexual -- just got the NAACP's "Image Award" for being a great role model.

Meanwhile, Ann Coulter is being burned at the stake (with faggots) for joking about him and the absurdity of it all.

All of the hysteria about Coulter's joke simply proves the truth of her joke.

And some people, including you, can't see the irony of that. Or, rather, you refuse to see it. You're having too much fun being a moral superior.

But in reality all you are doing is carrying the water for the media and their DNC masters.

George Soros thanks you. He has been trying to knock off Ann Coulter for years.


308 posted on 03/07/2007 11:05:07 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Altura Ct.

You're scaring me.


309 posted on 03/07/2007 11:05:07 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: Ramcat

Bill would mandate nicer term for illegals

TALLAHASSEE -- A state legislator whose district is home to thousands of Caribbean immigrants wants to ban the term "illegal alien" from the state's official documents.

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070227/NEWS01/70227062/1075


310 posted on 03/07/2007 11:10:50 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.
Scary isn't it?

I'm not buying!

311 posted on 03/07/2007 11:14:11 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: Sam Hill
I can see that you aren't truly interested in a rational discussion. You have never bothered to even try to address any of my very thoughtful arguments. You are too addicted to your feelings of moral superiority to even entertain the possibility that you might have hold of the wrong end of the stick here.

Point me to an argument you'd like me to take up.

I never thought it would come to this. Being accused of being addicted to my own moral superiority simply because I don't believe it necessary or prudent to use the word "faggot" in public.

All of the hysteria about Coulter's joke simply proves the truth of her joke. And some people, including you, can't see the irony of that. Or, rather, you refuse to see it. You're having too much fun being a moral superior.

The point of her joke is not that we should all be free to say "faggot" all day long. And it isn't "irony" to see that her associating her "joke" with John Edwards was a stupid thing to do.

Answer me this, as no one has yet on this thread. Would you rather lose an election with no votes from homosexuals, or win with the support of homosexuals who like small gov't or tax cuts or national defense?

312 posted on 03/07/2007 11:14:58 AM PST by SoothingDave (Eugene Gurkin was a janitor, cleaning toilets for The Man)
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To: SoothingDave

"Answer me this, as no one has yet on this thread. Would you rather lose an election with no votes from homosexuals, or win with the support of homosexuals who like small gov't or tax cuts or national defense?"

I'll answer that question right after you answer mine which I brought up earlier. Why are you bashing someone who has brought more homosexuals into the conservative movement than any other single individual?

Coulter is no gay basher. The homosexuals know that. Usually around here and at lefty sites she is accused of being a "fag hag."

She has written and spoken regularly against homosexual discrimination, etc. And the vast majority of the positive (or at least fair) press she has gotten from the mainstream media has come from homosexual reporters.

"It is you who must set fire to the faggots you have brought." That is a quote, meaning that you are the one who is being blinded by your prejudices.

And, again, where were you when Coulter called Al Gore a fag on national TV? Where was your outrage? Where was the media's?

Where are the poll numbers showing homosexuals leaving the GOP in droves because of that?

Quite imagining a huge problem where there is none. It is a faux controversy dreamt up by the DNC controlled media and some bloggers who wish they were headlining at CPAC instead of Coulter.


313 posted on 03/07/2007 11:23:19 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill
I'll answer that question right after you answer mine which I brought up earlier. Why are you bashing someone who has brought more homosexuals into the conservative movement than any other single individual?

What evidence do you have of that?

I am not bashing Coulter. I am bashing the people here who can not see that throwing around offensive words is not way to attract people to a movement.

Coulter is an entertainer and a self-promoter. She went over the line on this one. She knows that.

The folks here who teach their children to call people "faggots" and defend the right to offend in the name of "conservatism" make me sick. You don't have to be a repugnant, hate-filled cretin in order to be conservative. It's abot preserving civilization and the Republic, neither of which hinge on the right to hurl invectives at homosexuals.

314 posted on 03/07/2007 11:27:28 AM PST by SoothingDave (Eugene Gurkin was a janitor, cleaning toilets for The Man)
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To: MadIvan

Disagree with you here, Ivan. Yes, AC fan speaking.

"of the Republic itself requires GOP recruitment of more Latinos, Blacks and gays,":

This equivocation by the drama queen conservatives (Malkin, Hewitt, the unknown (and wildly unread) "convervative bloggers," and Medved) is precisely the cant that AC is exposing with her lampoon of Edwards. Neat how Medved lumps (latinos, which I suppose could my myself, blacks, and gays) into one homogeneous mass--reminds me of the old Dr. Suess fable "The Lorax" . . . I speak for the Trees!"--assuming the argument of other anti-AC's that anyone speaks for the disparate group of people who vote (R) in the election.


315 posted on 03/07/2007 11:27:55 AM PST by youngjim (don't need a weatherman to tell the way the wind blows)
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To: LibertarianInExile
Medved, as usual, posts the dilemma in a way that biases the conclusion. Don't even need to read the article to know he's coming down on the side of wussing. The headline ought to be "Gays Shouldn't Be Demeaned By Conservatives." That's all he's saying.

And boy, does that sound like a PC thing to say.


If by PC you mean Practical Conduct, then yes, it is a PC thing to advocate.
316 posted on 03/07/2007 11:32:07 AM PST by Cyclopean Squid (Patron Saint of Mediocrity)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
Ann's point wasn't about Edwards - it was about our out-of-control PC culture that obviously so many on the Right have bought in to as well.

And that point is wrong.

That actor went into rehab as an *excuse* for why he said something unforgivable to a co-worker.

He was wrong to call his co-worker a faggot, that worker was insulted.

OK, so you and Ann are going to represent the folks who think calling others a 'faggot' is acceptable.

I'm on the other side of the fence.

We'll see how that works for ya, I suppose.

:-)

317 posted on 03/07/2007 11:35:54 AM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: concerned about politics
That's why the left is trying to censor any word that offends them.

:-D

So everyone who disagrees with you is a leftist -- regardless of our actual political positions.

Or -- a small fraction of people from all sides believe in being rude and tacky to others. That small group is here being loud defending Ann "cuz she's on our side".

You stick with the side that believes calling others a "faggot" is ok. I'll stick with the folks who believe calling others a "faggot" is bad.

318 posted on 03/07/2007 11:41:09 AM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: Dominic Harr

"unforgivable"

How dramatic! How about usurping freedom is that "unforgivable'?

Do you agree with outlawing the term Illegal Alien? How about just using it in public discourse? At a public meeting?


319 posted on 03/07/2007 11:42:42 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Rutles4Ever

The Reagan Revolution was won because he faced Jimmy Carter and Walter Mondale.


320 posted on 03/07/2007 11:46:14 AM PST by Cyclopean Squid (Patron Saint of Mediocrity)
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