Posted on 03/07/2007 6:28:29 AM PST by MadIvan
This is off topic, but, I wish Bush lost. Then they would not have been able to blame 911 on Republicans and concoct all these crazy Bush conspiracy theories. We would have then easily thrown Gore in 04 out and put a true-blue conservative in the White House who had a mandate to clean house and take the war to the enemy....
Why not stay on topic? Would you rather lose if the margin of victory was provided by homosexuals voting for tax cut?
"you don't pick the one thing he ISN'T and call him that in some of the most vulgar language available."
You do if you are making a joke about how using the word "faggot" gets you sent to rehab.
If Coulter hadn't made it about Edwards, but instead about an actual homosexual, stupid people would have missed her point and thought she was attacking that person for being a homosexual.
As it turns out, she underestimated the stupidity of too many people.
Of course she is not the first person to get into trouble for underestimating the stupidity of the American people.
I don’t think blond jokes are going to be a great vote winner either.
No-one’s arguing for censorship (or 'drumming out of civilized society') so stop throwing up strawmen.
The day a blonde asks me to stop calling her "blonde" the words will be equivalent. Or when the dictionary notes that "blonde" is disparaging and offensive.
Look, it's far more condescending to make your assumptions about gays than anything Ann said. We've been through this before and you ignored my response. It's not fun playing your game by your rules because I can't win. I have to respond to every single idiotic straw man you set up and you get to ignore my responses and move on to your next straw man. If you are gay and think you speak for all gay people then be proud and stand up and say so otherwise, stop stereotyping them.
Did you know Ann Coulter has new book coming out? Her picture is going to appear on the spine.
I don't need special intimate knowledge of gays to know that "faggot" is an offensive term.
Why so much effort put into defending the use of vulgarity?
Just because a blond asks you to quit calling her blond doesn't make the words equivalent.
It might make you quit calling her a blond but it has nothing to do with the words being equivalent.
Unless your logic is flawed?
If your moral compass is a dictionary you might look for a different instrument to get you back on course?
"Yes, gay people love being slurred."
Hey, have you ever been out in the real world? Try doing a Google search exactly this way:
faggot -"Ann Coulter"
(That means, all mentions of the word minus anything about Ann Coulter.)
Guess what? You will get about 1,620,000 hits. Most of them from pro-homosexual sites.
One of the first is from a gay blog that proudly calls itself The Faggoty-Ass Faggot.
When Coulter called Al Gore "a fag" last July on national TV, (while plugging Free Republic), everybody around here laughed their pants off.
Where were you then?
You sure are hung up on that word? By OK do you mean should she be ALLOWED to say it. Damn straight.
What is your point? Is it only nigger that you think is the ultimate in "bad" words? Are you for outlawing the word nigger? If not then yes she can say nigger if she thinks it fits. Doesn't mean you have to like it or support it but I defend her right to say it.
This whole thing is not so much about defending Ann per se but the vast overreaction and leftest terminology being bandy about in relationship too it. If you thought it was rude boo her and get over it. This is total political BS like hate crimes and hate speech.
Many of you want to go left to be more "inclusive" because some would be "offended" Well if you want to jump in bed moving left just help yourself but I am not drinking that Kool Aid any more. We are really really really sorry. Will you like us now?
Who the heck said the words had to be "equivalent"?
The point is that people are allowed to decide what terms they want to be called. And civilized people abide by reasonable requests.
To argue as many do here that there is nothing wrong with "faggot" is to argue against civlized behavior. That has been my point from the beginning.
Way too many vulgarians here. And claiming to be "conservative" as well.
You did!!
Go back a few posts. You said they would become equivalent when the blond asks you to quit calling her that?
Don't feel bad about not being able to follow your own logic.
Got any more names to call me?
Reading your post... good point, good point, ignorant comment, didn't read further. What is reasonable, what is hostile, what is... too many variables, does not computer, makes no sense. In short, a lot of work for no gain. Make a joke next time, a lot shorter and some fun rather than this poor excuse for a personal point of view.
"The day a blonde asks me to stop calling her "blonde" the words will be equivalent. Or when the dictionary notes that "blonde" is disparaging and offensive."
I guess you missed my reference to Polish jokes.
Hey, so it's the dictionary that decides these things.
Well, when it comes to the English language there is no question as to what is the authoritative dictionary. It is the Oxford English Dictionary.
Here is their definition of faggot. They only claim the term to be derogatory when it is applied to WOMEN:
faggot, fagot, n. Forms: 4 faget(t, 46 faggott, 5 fagatt, -ot(t, 6 fagget, Sc. faggat, 4 fagot, 5 faggot. See also fagald.
1. A bundle of sticks, twigs, or small branches of trees bound together:
a. for use as fuel.
† b. Mil. for use in fascines. Obs.
2. a. With special reference to the practice of burning heretics alive, esp. in phrase fire and faggot; † to fry a faggot, to be burnt alive; also, to bear, carry a faggot, as those did who renounced heresy. Hence fig. the punishment itself.
b. The embroidered figure of a faggot, which heretics who had recanted were obliged to wear on their sleeve, as an emblem of what they had merited.
3. In wider sense.
a. A bundle or bunch in general, e.g. of rushes, herbs, etc.
b. fig. A ‘bundle’, collection (of things not forming any genuine unity).
4. A bundle of iron or steel rods bound together.
5. (See quot. 1851.)
6. a. A term of abuse or contempt applied to a woman (orig. dial.) Also in extended uses.
b. A (male) homosexual. slang (orig. and chiefly U.S.).
† 7. A person temporarily hired to supply a deficiency at the muster, or on the roll of a company or regiment; a dummy. Obs.
8. = faggot vote.
By the way, by your line of "reasoning" anybody who uses a term that is consider derogatory by a dictionary should be drummed out of polite society.
What a laugh that is. Do you realize how many words (apart from faggot, lol) are listed as derogatory?
so many of you people are desperately clutching at straws to demonize a person who has probably brought more homosexuals into the conservative movement than any other person.
But, hey, don't let any thing like that get in the way of your smug self-righteousness -- about a joke.
"Way too many vulgarians here."
You make a good point.
The Weekly Standard recently reported on a poll of potty-mouthed web sites.
Of course there were dozens of winners on the left. But the hands down winner on the Foul Mouth First Prize on the right was......... Free Republic.
Maybe Free Republic should be drummed out of the conservative movement for making conservatives look bad?
"Once again I'll be pulling the(R)lever only to vote in the lesser of two evils and slow down the socialist march the world is on."
And, once again, you will be part of the problem and not the solution. You will never, ever, ever, get to where you want to go by walking away from it.
This is the problem I see with Conservatives. They don't HAVE anywhere they want to go. They just want to stop everybody else from going anywhere.
You don't? Then how do you know? How do you know how gays feel about Ann using it? How do you know that it caused a single gay person on the fence to move away from conservatives? You don't. And speaking for them, without any intimate knowledge is more condescending that anything Ann said. My cause is freedom. That's what I fight for and have fought for my entire life.
If this is your logic, how does the word "faggot" apply to Edwards and explain Ms. Coulter's genius thereof?
Since I'm a Catholic, should I presume that you agree with the KKK label of me as a pope-loving, cracker-crunching, rosary-swinging papist? After all, it's only what I do, right? It shouldn't offend met? I bet you think that would be an appropriate use of pejoratives against someone like me in the political arena.
Moderates and independents with any intelligence will "get" the joke that is the connection to the "Grey's Anatomy" actors. If they don't get it there is little likelyhood they would be intelligent enough to vote conservative anyway.
It really is as simple as that.
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