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Addition or subtraction?: Ann Coulter and the conservative crossroads
Townhall.com ^ | March 7, 2007 | Michael Medved

Posted on 03/07/2007 6:28:29 AM PST by MadIvan

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To: Altura Ct.
No no no You aren't ALLOWED to do that. Hate speech and thought control. We want it and we need it now! We will control debate and the people by outlawing words and certain thoughts. Step right up. These topics and words are off limits to all citizens. You will be met with swift and harsh punishment.

Great...so will you be the first person on this thread to admit that it would be OK for Ann Coulter to refer to Barack Obama as an "N-word"?

241 posted on 03/07/2007 9:51:34 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: AmusedBystander
In politics it is, it's use does nothing to advance the conservative agenda.

And neither do a lot of so called Republicans...

242 posted on 03/07/2007 9:52:02 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
As a kid I had many fist fights defending him, and not one of them had anything to do with the word fag.

And if someone who didn't like him called him a faggot, that would have been offensive to him. And possibly to you.

And, as you said, we're talking about calling a straight man a faggot -- which is CERTAINLY fighting words, and a silly, childish thing to do.

Ann goofed this time. No big deal -- except this is exposing some C folks as amazing apologists.

243 posted on 03/07/2007 9:53:27 AM PST by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: AmusedBystander

I don't think it is for those who have reputations as caustic, comic commentators.


244 posted on 03/07/2007 9:54:22 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

Is that remotely as indulting as calling someone a faggot? If my daughter told my son he smelled like a chimp, I'd laugh. If she called him a faggot, I'd punish her. And he, though I'm sure he's a heterosexual, does not have a track record of 29 years of faithfulness to a woman. Nor does he have a track record as a Marxist ambulance chaser that is fair game.


245 posted on 03/07/2007 9:54:38 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: Ramcat
Mean and nasty people don't win elections. There's nothing to defend about a self-evident statement. What don't you understand about it?

Lyndon Johnson, Bill Clinton, Robert Byrd, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Mrs. Clinton, Raul Emanuel, etc, etc, etc. Mean and nasty people win elections all the time!!! That's my point.

Let me re-phrase. People don't vote for people that they perceive to be mean and nasty.

So the more people you convince that you are mean and nasty because you use vulgarities and insults, the more people whose votes you are writing off.

246 posted on 03/07/2007 9:54:52 AM PST by SoothingDave (Eugene Gurkin was a janitor, cleaning toilets for The Man)
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To: Mr. Silverback

I would never restrict her from saying what she thought. I might not like it and I may boo it but I'm not going where you are going. What other words or phrases should we outlaw or ban?


247 posted on 03/07/2007 9:54:54 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Mr. Silverback
Great...so will you be the first person on this thread to admit that it would be OK for Ann Coulter to refer to Barack Obama as an "N-word"?

Are you the only guy on this thread to recognize your "dilema" has no "horns?"

248 posted on 03/07/2007 9:56:17 AM PST by papertyger
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To: SoothingDave
Let me re-phrase. People don't vote for people that they perceive to be mean and nasty.

Ever hear of DU or Daily KOSS or Moveon.org?

Pull your head out of your posterior.
That's not vulgar, is it?

249 posted on 03/07/2007 9:58:15 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: Mr. Silverback
If the word "faggot" applied to a guy who has been faithful to his wife for 29 years is something that will advance the Reagan Revolution, why not the N-word applied to a guy some people in the ghetto would describe as an N-word?

Because she was discussing politics, a candidate who has the behavior and appearance of a faggot, PC word censorship, and not life in the inner cities. The blacks in the inner cities call each other the "n" word all the time. They don't seem to be at all offended by it.
Only "Crackers" are forbidden to use the "n" word, even though the description describes many of the white democrats in the government housing complexes as well.
It's just a word, but it's a word that has been "censored" by the PC police. It can be used on any race, but has been chosen as a "forbidden" word by the left wing lingual dictates.

250 posted on 03/07/2007 9:58:38 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: subterfuge
No, I'm not a Breck girl. I'm a conservative, and the kind of conservative who believes that when you're facing a Marxist, ambulance chasing, hypocritical, demogoguing, baby-killing apostate Christophobe, you don't pick the one thing he ISN'T and call him that in some of the most vulgar language available.

Coulter fired at a barn door at point blank range, hit nothing but air, and there are Freepers all over this thread treating her like Annie Oakley. We're supposed to be the smart ones, remember?

251 posted on 03/07/2007 9:59:26 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: concerned about politics
THAT is racism. It does NOT mean a black person. Racists only used it to describe the blacks. You've been brainwashed by PC. Anyone who assumes it means "black people" has a problem. Contemptible, inferior, ignorant, a person who is economically, politically, or socially disenfranchised.

a dictionary might help clear up your ignorance.

[Origin: 1640–50; < F nègre < Sp negro black]

Claiming the N word has nothing to do with blacks is beyond disingenuous. The word is rooted in "black." Other uses stem from the primary and original derogatory use.

252 posted on 03/07/2007 9:59:32 AM PST by SoothingDave (Eugene Gurkin was a janitor, cleaning toilets for The Man)
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To: Dominic Harr

Ah, no. Even if it was said with and obviously hateful way, at best it would have received a FU fag right back.

A straight person being called a fag means pussy (to be crude about it). At least here in New England where Ann is from. It's always been such. Maybe where you are from it's different, I'm willing to accept that.

Ann's point wasn't about Edwards - it was about our out-of-control PC culture that obviously so many on the Right have bought in to as well.


253 posted on 03/07/2007 10:00:19 AM PST by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: daisyscarlett

Thank you, back!


254 posted on 03/07/2007 10:00:27 AM PST by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: Ramcat
Ever hear of DU or Daily KOSS or Moveon.org?

Yes. Do you think they vote for the candidates they do because they consider them to be mean and nasty?

Anyway, citing DU as a source is not exactly a good way to argue about what normal people are like. I meant normal people.

255 posted on 03/07/2007 10:01:19 AM PST by SoothingDave (Eugene Gurkin was a janitor, cleaning toilets for The Man)
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To: SupplySider

When you consider all that's bad about Edwards, Coulter was shooting at a barn door and missed by several feet. But there are freepers treating her like Annie Oakley.


256 posted on 03/07/2007 10:01:34 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: PajamaTruthMafia

You can be vulgar, if you want. I'm vulgar often enough. But I'm not doing it on stage at political conferences.

The point is, maybe being vulgar isn't a great idea if you're ultimately trying to win votes. I've never seen it help the left. It's the when the left lose that they get driven to childish insults.

If you're just engaging in self-promotion, then go ahead and be vulgar at a political conference. You'll get the attention you want.


257 posted on 03/07/2007 10:02:26 AM PST by FostersExport
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To: Mr. Silverback

So you have a problem with a particuar word, not offending people by calling them names. I get it now. That makes so much sense.


258 posted on 03/07/2007 10:02:48 AM PST by PajamaTruthMafia
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To: PajamaTruthMafia
What's your point, Ann put off some people who might have voted Republican but now will not? Please! That's simply ridiculous.

Is it your belief that no homosexuals have voted for Republican candidates? Ever?

Would you rather have, say a few hundred homosexual voters in Florida pull the Bush lever or have Gore as President?

259 posted on 03/07/2007 10:03:21 AM PST by SoothingDave (Eugene Gurkin was a janitor, cleaning toilets for The Man)
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To: AmusedBystander; P-Marlowe; jude24; blue-duncan; Corin Stormhands
From Mark Steyn's article "'Out' at the old ball game:"

Thus, it’s not enough for Mungit to be boorish about showering with faggots. It has to be a consequence of family dysfunction, of deeply suppressed anxieties, of fear and self-degradation.

Like Steyn, Coulter is a caustic, comic commentator. There is only one Steyn, though. He is the premier writer among current columnists.

260 posted on 03/07/2007 10:03:55 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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