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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

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To: Carolinamom; EternalVigilance
Psst! EV is a political consultant for one of the Democrat hopefuls....pass it on. LOL

EV turned down a job offer from Karl Rove in Philly at the RNC convention in 2000.

281 posted on 02/28/2007 11:08:47 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: NinoFan
Hopefully we can turn things around before its too late.

Hopefully. But this thread is a good example of what we're up against.

282 posted on 02/28/2007 11:08:48 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: Sensei Ern
It happened in 1992, and gave us BJC, and people who think like you tried again in 1996 by forcing us to take Bob Dole, who turns anti-life and lost the Christian vote.

Yeah, those all-or-nothing Christian voters sure did show the American citizens by preventing a liberal like Bob Dole from becoming President. Good Lord.

You are forgetting something in your calculations: 9/11.

I don't think you guys have a clue about the number of voters whose main issue is the war on terror. Or you do, and that scares you more than terrorism on our own soil.

283 posted on 02/28/2007 11:09:24 AM PST by Rex Anderson
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To: NinoFan
Hopefully we can turn things around before its too late.

Gonna be hard to do when you alienate so many who do not share your pup tent.

284 posted on 02/28/2007 11:09:59 AM PST by Carolinamom (Whatever you voted for, you did not vote for failure -- President Bush SOTU)
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To: EternalVigilance
Posted by Jim Robinson to nopardons On News/Activism ^ 02/28/2007 2:45:47 AM CST · 22 of 55 ^

"Yeah, he's a socialist."

Hmmmm...a socialist who believes in free enterprise, tax cuts and is anti-affirmative action....something wrong with this picture?

285 posted on 02/28/2007 11:10:26 AM PST by Al Simmons (Thou Shalt Speak No Ill of Another Republican - Ronald Wilson Reagan's 11th Commandment)
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To: EternalVigilance
Why don't you go put a tourniquet on that short space between your shoulders and your chin.

I'm talking about returning the party to the same condition it was in before 2000, and not the 1800s.

There was purpose and unity in the party then, and people like yourself were independents and most had voted for Perot or backed pat Robertson.

Those days were a hell of a lot better than the present.

When your house guests trash your property, you have only one course of action, and that is to remove the guests who offend.

See ya!

287 posted on 02/28/2007 11:11:59 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: NinoFan
Hopefully we can turn things around before its too late.

Better get goin'. Hunter went from 2% to a footnote asterisk in the latest ABC/WaPo poll.

288 posted on 02/28/2007 11:12:06 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Howlin

"They'd rather be irrelevant than compromise."

Irrelevant under a Dim admin

Irrelevant under a Republican admin

Either way it's still irrelevant.


289 posted on 02/28/2007 11:12:44 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Howlin
I have to say, though, that a candidate who is not pro life and who has the colorful personal life of Guilani is not going to energize the core of the Republican Party. Because of this, I don't think he will even get the nomination.

I am not even registered Republican anymore. Here in NC, there is no registration for "libertarian" so I am independent. That said, I am fervently pro-life. THAT said, I am for the sovereignty of the states in deciding the issue, the way it was before ROE (legal issues which touch on personal morality, including porn, homosexuality, etc, are best decided locally). I believe in EVERY SINGLE PLANK of the Christian Right, I just don't believe in the usurpation of Federal power to do so. I believe that judges should have a "litmus test" regarding their views on federalism, not abortion. The Christian Right, which I grew up with, has whored itself out to the pursuit of political power on the federal level. It should repent and get back to the job of espousing the happy state of being cleansed by the grace of Jesus, and the personal responsibilities to repudiate the false god of more and more trinkets and toys, while hoping that they can get some guy in power who will stave off cultural collapse. This is worshiping a false god, or what the old faithful called "idolatry."

290 posted on 02/28/2007 11:14:39 AM PST by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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To: EternalVigilance
... Hopefully. But this thread is a good example of what we're up against.

Seems to me this thread is about you being as divisive as possible. This is what scumbag fifth columnists do, infiltrate a group and try to turn the group against a common cause.

291 posted on 02/28/2007 11:15:09 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: EternalVigilance; Al Simmons; Common Tator
Common Tator was a well-known FR liberal and a prolific poster on this site for years.

I have no idea where this comes from. I remember Common Tator as a huge Blackwell supporter and local party (Ohio) Republican official. The last I heard was that he had some health problems and needed our prayers.

Common Tator was no liberal, and its shameful to post your obloquy when he can't be here to defend himself.

292 posted on 02/28/2007 11:15:20 AM PST by youngjim (Your assertion requires some evidence beyond divination. Please provide a link.)
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To: Al Simmons

That is the only name calling you recognize? That's pretty dishonest.


293 posted on 02/28/2007 11:15:34 AM PST by Politicalmom ("Always vote for principle...and your vote is never lost."-John Quincy Adams)
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To: BuffaloJack; All
"The term "Rudy-Hater" is troubling."

OK. I AM GONNA POST IN CAPS SO EVERYONE SEES THIS REPLY.

BY 'RUDY-HATER' I HAVE REFERRED (AS I EXPLAINED EARLIER) TO ABOUT A HALF-DOZEN POSTERS WHOSE VICIOUS POSTS ARE ACCURATELY DESCRIBED AS SUCH. THOSE ARE THE FOLKS THROWING WORDS LIKE "TRAITOR" AND "LIBERAL" AT THOSE WHO ARE OPEN TO A RUDY CANDIDACY.

IN USING THIS TERM I IN NO WAY INTENDED TO LUMP THE VAST MAJORITY OF POLITE FREEPERS, WHO HAVE LEGITIMATE RESERVATIONSW ABOUT RUDY, WITH THE FORMER CROWD.

IF ANY OF THE LATTER FOLKS HAVE BEEN OFFENDED, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I WAS NOT REFERRING TO YOU, AS I BELIEVE I HAVE HAD TO REPEAT A FEW TIMES ON THESE THREADS.

OTOH, MY USE OF THE TERM AS A 'HOOK' TO GET PEOPLE TO READ MY LAST TWO THREADS HAS WORKED WELL. TO THE EXTENT THAT HAS ADVANCED DEBATE, I THINK IT WAS ON BALANCE WARRANTED.

SOAPBOX OFF.

294 posted on 02/28/2007 11:16:08 AM PST by Al Simmons (Thou Shalt Speak No Ill of Another Republican - Ronald Wilson Reagan's 11th Commandment)
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To: Carolinamom

Ecclesiastes 3

1To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.


295 posted on 02/28/2007 11:16:48 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: Howlin
Heck, I even remember when the Republican Party wanted to keep EVERYBODY out of my bedroom; now they want in.

Id rather hang out in your kitchen

296 posted on 02/28/2007 11:17:12 AM PST by woofie
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To: Al Simmons
NO PROBLEM. I COINED THE TERM "RUDY-LICKER" IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO YOUR "RUDY-HATERS", I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR IT EITHER. :)
297 posted on 02/28/2007 11:18:55 AM PST by LibKill (ENOUGH! Take the warning labels off everything and let Saint Darwin do his job.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
No, not irrelevant.

As I see it, we would pick up the blue dog Dem's who are in the fight of their lives right now with their party.

We could have them all, and send the Dem's our fine upstanding moralist friends who would rather saw off the limb they are sitting on, then sit next to a social moderate or learn the art of politics.

298 posted on 02/28/2007 11:19:08 AM PST by Cold Heat
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To: DreamsofPolycarp

Great post and thank you for making it. I remember those days too.

It's gotten so bad around here that the other night we were treated to a vanity piece that Rudy supporters are treasonous liberals, a position held by the powers that be around here.

A lot of veterans and others were outraged that supporting a Republican could cause such overheated hyperbole.


299 posted on 02/28/2007 11:19:11 AM PST by Peach
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To: 68 grunt
Seems to me this thread is about you being as divisive as possible.

Most of my posts on this thread have either been Jim Robinson's views, which I agree with, or responses to vicious personal attacks similar to the ones you regularly employ.

300 posted on 02/28/2007 11:19:31 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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